"Human Milk" ffs

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Not linking to DM (clicks) but an article on the app today talks about how one NHS trust has said that hormone fuelled milk produced by transwomen is equally as good for baby as breastmilk produced by women.

The director says the terminology Human Milk should be used as both milk types are equal.

In the letter, the Medical Director claims 'there is clear and overwhelming evidence that human milk is the ideal food for infants', referring to both breast milk and the 'induced lactation' of biological men

Ffs these poor babies.

The £££££ that has been thrown in faking shit for men so they can cosplay womanhood while actual disease and illness is left to fundraise for its own research is sickening.

Am I right in thinking an archived link will be deleted?

Go to the webpage archive.today and c&p the link from the telegraph article.
It has already been archived and will come up.
I don't think it allows access to comments though.

It will look like this

Yes there was some twat called David Thomas. It was either him who described 'bouncing boobily', or someone else taking the piss.

I do remember him being a little disappointed that he hadn't been objectified in some way.

Total AGP (in my opinion HQ).

i'm very glad to see so many people understanding that this is a fetish, though.

Many women have known it, for bloody years. But the marketing of transgenderism as a neurological issue, or a born in the wrong body issue, or like being gay (how?) has gone a long way to try and bury that info.

So reading people in the comments in The Telegraph totally nailing it as a fetish, is very reassuring.

But yes, I understand women who are feeling very upset about this.

To take something so pure, nurturing and natural, and turn it into a fucking creepy load of shit, is very upsetting.

Thank you MrsO. It is the really deep knowledge that something is wrong, isn't it? And when you put that alongside the most vulnerable, such as a baby, the wrongness becomes raw and it's impossible to tell lies.

I'm a bit behind the times but have just discovered that the used-to-be-wonderful La Leche League, has been well and truly got. 😭

"You've already been shown on this thread that, for a start, the testosterone levels in male nipple discharge is orders of magnitude higher than in mothers' breastmilk" This is false, I've been shown one review of a research paper that did not measure the testosterone levels in 'male nipple discharge' or anything else about it! I have repeatedly said we SHOULD test it if we are going to give it to babies. I never said we needed to research to see of testosterone is harmless to babies either.

Who has proven it's different? I keep asking for this research and nobody can supply it. If it is different people will have to accept that.

nobody is suggesting we give snot or saliva to babies as food so why test it? People are suggesting we give this so is it really outrageous to make sure it's safe? according to you they've already tested it!

Sounds gross but do you have a link to the video you mention?

What is the likelihood? And of women doing the same?

Perfectly said.

I refer you to the "Loretta" sketch in Monty Pythons Life of Brian. Any man who thinks he can be a natural woman, and do what women do naturally (gestate a baby, breastfeed it etc) is bonkers. And wants his head looked at. And whoever approved the funds for the ghastly experiment of dosing a man up with hormones to produce "chest milk" equally wants their head looking at. And the sack for misappropriating funds. The NHS is on its knees, and money is being spent on this tosh?

@BeautifulViews

Well, seeing as rapists pretend to be women and then go into rape women... and seeing as every single man who wants to do this fulfilling their own desires over the needs of a tiny human being, who will be forced to suckle at a man's nipple...it's pretty fucking likely.

No man is doing this for the best interests of the child.

No man is doing this for the best interests of the mother who gave birth.

The only reason they're doing this is to satisfy their pretence that they are a woman.

Hundreds of thousands of women are unable to breastfeed, unable to get support or help with breastfeeding, they're unable to access counselling for "failing" to breastfeed their baby....but...noooo let's all support the man and his twisted idea of what it means for him to be a woman...

If the man pumping himself full of this crap to satisfy his desires, actually wants to lovte life as a woman...then he must accept that...not all women can breastfeed because if genetics/biology... It's one of the hardships of being an actual woman... But they don't want that. They want to play-act being what they think a woman is, considering only themselves and not the mother and certainly not the baby being fed this way.

This comment gives away your faux just asking questions previous posts.

You know why these men are doing it and you appear to endorse it.

Women are less likely to have paraphilias. Can you tell us how many new mothers are sexually aroused by giving birth? We can tell you how many women join breastfeeding groups that don't need assistance with breastfeeding or join to give expert opinion.... I have heard of not one.

Any one else heard of one?

The points that you keep raising, really are the same we see rolled out on thread after thread. It is the same as 'women are voilent in prison to, why is it that you want to exclude male people from female prison'.

Sadly there are various examples of dads doing this on the cots website - less salubrious websites the poster above will already have found if the query was genuine. With regards to stats there are several websites by specialist psch and probation staff which detail the paraphilia stats. The nhs has refused to release their stats regarding this as far as i know- perhaps because no ethics comittee agreed experimentation on babies and grooming of children is a safeguarding fail?

Didn't everyone campaign against hormones in cows milk in the 80s/90s? But it's OK if it's man hormones??? And organic cow milk is still considered premium.

#organichumanmilkonly

I asked for evidence nobody supplied any but are happy to make claims they can't or won't back up. I am genuinely interested what it would be if not milk. On the other hand I supplied a study that showed that trans women's breast milk was basically the same but that is ignored.

I highly doubt that people would do this as for a fetish but if they are paedophiles wanting to use babies in a fetish activity they should be stopped but there isn't a shred of evidence for that. But if you have any do share, I will happily change me mine when supplied with proof.

Ffs. Madness. And think that a NHS Trust manager says he believes this bullshit??? Insanity.

I supplied a study that showed that trans women's breast milk was basically the same but that is ignored.

I supplied a review which debunked that that is what the study showed.

I don't think you are particularly posting in good faith, but if you care, you'll research autogynephilia.

Of course you will.

It didn't debunk it, it said that not enough had been done in the researches she looked at to draw a conclusion.

And I'll look that up.

Nobody should be researching it at all. There's zero need for men to feed drug induced nipple goo to babies. None.

Anything fed to babies should have the baby at the centre of whether this is something that benefits them. There is no benefit to the baby at all for this over breast milk and formula milk. Just an awful lot of negatives some too gross to contemplate.

The phrase just because you can doesn't mean you should comes to mind.

Ok looked it up. If a paedophile also has that fetish then that is a risk. One way to combat this would be to ensure close supervision of any trans parent who requests drugs to breast feed but I wouldn't have thought child in that situation would be at any more risk than any other child. there are perverts in every demographic, that's how they get away with it.

Are transwomen more likely to be sex offenders? I have no idea.

It didn't debunk it, it said that not enough had been done in the researches she looked at to draw a conclusion.

It showed how these studies are all pretty flimsy "proof" that the drug induced secretions of males are a good thing to feed an infant. Also ask yourself why a transgender clinic is carrying out these studies. Wake up.

I suggest you now go and look up the % of trans male UK prisoners and compare them using census data to the rest of the UK population. There are threads on MN where this has been done.

The answer is there are a higher % of sex offenders that are male with a trans ID than the rest of the population.

there are perverts in every demographic, that's how they get away with it.

There are a lot more in the male demographic, than the breastfeeding mother demographic.

The best way to combat this is to say no to all men who want infants to suckle their nipples.

The Gender clinic doctor who was in the article I listed who also commented on the study of the male who had fed for 6 weeks brought up the issues.

As that medical doctor stated, no one knows what the long term damage might be, including IQ.

Or did you not read that newscientist article, or you didn't look up the doctor commenting who is a gender clinician and very familiar with the cocktail of drugs that they prescribe.