Brighton shows why you shouldn’t vote Labour - Julie Burchill (and a mention of IamSarah)

[IwantToRetire]

The pleas of many local parents to rid our schools of pesty wokeness have fallen on deaf ears. Classrooms have become petri dishes for social experiments in defiance of parental wishes. Is it really possible that, a few years ago, one school in Brighton, labelled as ‘the coolest state secondary in town’, once had as many as 40 children who did not identify with their sex at birth with another 36 saying they were ‘gender fluid’? Or is this social contagion, as eating disorders are now often understood to be, among sad teenagers desperate to identify as something or anything, rather than feel lonely? Whatever it is, the council are hindering rather than helping these confused adolescents. Sometimes it seems as though there is an almost sadistic element to the way right-on teachers torment distraught parents. Isn’t it odd to send people who think diversely off for re-education, or re-‘training’?

And another thing, after boasting that ‘diversity is strength’, isn’t it odd to send people who think diversely off for re-education, or re-‘training’? This is what the Sainted Bella did after Councillor Alison Thomson retweeted posts supporting JK Rowling and the feminist Germaine Greer. Even though the culprit apologised unreservedly, Chairman Sankey frowned, ‘I have also taken the decision to remove Councillor Thomson from her lead role on city centre renewal while further investigation is carried out and subject to her completing training.’ Because nothing says not being qualified to work on renewing city centres like believing in women’s rights.

But not even the re-training of the hapless Thomson was enough for one Green councillor, Chloe Goldsmith. She asked how Labour would ‘meaningfully demonstrate’ to lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, questioning/queer, asexual plus (LGBTIQA+) people that the party would stand up for them. This brought another avalanche of woo-woo affirmation from Labour, with the situation continuing ad infinitum.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/brighton-shows-why-you-shouldnt-vote-labour/

'Ad locum' is excellent. Or what about 'platform' - 'ad suggestum'?

Do you recognise we are where we are due to Labour laws?

And that they are ideologically aligned to genderism and challenge will dissolve if they get in

If you don’t think that’s the case why not? Who are you relying on?

So which paper(s) do you read? I'm pretty sure that every single publication has someone who writes (or has written) for it who you would find objectionable.

I will be a single issue voter for the next election. I will vote for the party that are likely to cause the least damage to my daughters rights - even if they don't really care about girls or women. We are on the verge of losing our rights and never getting them back. For me, our rights underpin everything else.

But if we put self ID/Gender Ideology/Women's rights to one side for a moment - what evidence have people seen that Labour are the party with the policies and appetite to sort everything else out? I don't understand why people have so much faith in them.

Diversity of ideas is sadly more of a Tory thing than something that Labour, SNP or Plaid Cymru subscribe to.

@OldCrone yes, that's my point. I've answered that question further down.
What I can't do is be ok with a publication because I agree with its view on one single point when I find their stance on most other points entirely objectionable.
It's left me newspaper-less and I don't know who to vote for. I need to weigh up the less of a few competing 'evils'.
What I will never do is ever buy the Spectator nor vote Tory.
If you think the editors of the Spectators give two shiny shits about women's rights, you're very, very mistaken. They just hate 'wokism' (god I hate that word) and trans people more than they hate feminism.

I can read an article from any media outlet and I either think it's good or I don't. I've read plenty of articles by people I don't agree with on anything else.

I would describe it as hating proscribed beliefs/opinions.

I don’t understand why freedom to think variously- which should be middle ground- has become ‘right wing’.

The existence of the actual extreme right seems to have been forgotten in favour of attacking centre for being insufficiently left.

If you think the editors of the Spectators give two shiny shits about women's rights, you're very, very mistaken.

Ah, yes. The wims of FWR are proverbed for their inability to consider matters in the round and are readily deceived. The concept of nuance is so foreign that we are forever grateful to those who admonish us about it although it seems that there is a failure of learning.

I can only be grateful for the persistence of those who seek to scold us in the error of our ways. If we ever end up in a Goldsmith Gulag for re-education, I can't promise that coercion will make me a better student but at least some people will know that they tried to divert me from that path.

Yes indeed! Keep your head down, stay quiet, do as you’re told.

But what do you think of the article?

For me, where something is published comes low down the list of what is important about it.

First - is it a good article, and do I agree with it or think it makes some good points?

Second - who wrote it? There are some people writing on this who I might think are trying to make points I disagree with. Julie Burchill isn't one of them.

Third - where it was published. Actually I don't care at all about this. If the first two points indicate that it's a worthwhile article, I don't care where it's published.

Quite. You’d think we wims would be more grateful for being told we’re wrong, wouldn’t you?

No need to think critically, ladies, in fact no need to think or reason at all. Just fall into line.

I love Julie Birchill!

If you object to every newspaper, may I suggest a more radical approach? Rather than be ‘newspaper-less’, read them all? (Access them via your library online). Expose yourself to a range of views, including the Telegraph, Spectator, the Daily Star and the Mirror.

If you think the editors of the Spectators give two shiny shits about women's rights, you're very, very mistaken. They just hate 'wokism' (god I hate that word) and trans people more than they hate feminism.

How do you know this if you make a point of never engaging with it?

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RayonSunrise
Some of us will never forget that Penny Mordaunt - now considered a front runner for the post-Sunak Tories - was the original architect of Self-ID in England

I thought Penny Mordaunt was appointed Minister for Women and Equalities in 2018 - did she write Labour's 2017 manifesto pledge?

July 2017 Jeremy Corbyn
“Discrimination has gone on too long. The Gender Recognition Act does not allow trans people to self-identify their gender and forces them to undergo invasive medical tests...

“Labour recognised this in our manifesto, pledging to update the act...

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/19/let-trans-people-self-identify-gender-corbyn-urges-may

Yes this.

You are displaying exactly the thinking applied by all self-proclaimed progressives these days. Guilt by association. Judging not what is said but who says it.

It's pathetic and polarizing.

Fuck the Spectator with all its racism. Think again OP.

Oh grow up.

Yet again an article which has a link to it posted for its content, is hijacked by someone who thinks posters on FWR are so dumb they will succumb to the origins rather, than as intelligent, autonomous thinkers, consider what someone is saying about the area they live in.

And even if its purpose was to get people to vote Tory, as someone who doesn't live in Brighton like the majority of us on FWR, what difference does it make.

More and more threads on FWR are being hijacked by posters who never start a thread about what they are really interested in, but constantly derail other threads.

Honestly, have you only just joined FWR. Nearly every other thread comes down to the despair at the failure of Labour both at a local and national level to show any respect for women.

And nearly every time contributors to the thread say they wouldn't have to post links to right wing paper if so called left papers (are there any in fact?) every covered women's issues.

I'm more surprised that anyone is surprised by JB's take on Brighton as nearly every thread about Brighton says the same thing.

And personally I am not that taken with JB's writing, but I know others do.

And unlike the egotism of the commentator who felt entitle to tell me how to think, I am happy to share and listen to others.

So next time you tell someone to think again, at least come up with some original thoughts.

That's the problem with those who think they are on the right side of history (ie left) is everything is just vacuous pontification. No wonder the TRAs flourish under Labour.

This

I kind of take the idea of the headline - which is admittedly a little provocative - as not so much "listen to me and vote for who I say" as "here is what is going on in a Labour led area, so if you are thinking of voting for them be aware that you should expect them to behave in this way."

Which I think is fair enough. Obviously they might not, and a national government is different in many ways. But it works both ways. Many people feel they need to vote Labour because the Tories need to go due to the real results we see from their policies and governance which we can see in front of us. They could, of course, change and take a new direction, but we shouldn't be surprised if they don't.

Well, we can apply the same logic to Labour. They may be the best of a bad choice, but no one should be surprised if they get in and continue with the same authoritarian control of dissent in the party, and same kinds of misogynistic policies.

I guess that what many of us will do is look at the actual candidates in their own constituency, ask the questions most important and voting accordingly. There are MP s on both sides, would like to say all but not convinced, who are hard working and know what they are talking about, prepared to change their minds and influence policies having seen the evidence. These are the ones we could vote for whatever the party. But if there were any standing on one issue . Ie women’s and children’s rights and needs, I would put my vote right there.

Yes. All of this.

This in buckets