Brighton shows why you shouldn’t vote Labour - Julie Burchill (and a mention of IamSarah)

[IwantToRetire]

The pleas of many local parents to rid our schools of pesty wokeness have fallen on deaf ears. Classrooms have become petri dishes for social experiments in defiance of parental wishes. Is it really possible that, a few years ago, one school in Brighton, labelled as ‘the coolest state secondary in town’, once had as many as 40 children who did not identify with their sex at birth with another 36 saying they were ‘gender fluid’? Or is this social contagion, as eating disorders are now often understood to be, among sad teenagers desperate to identify as something or anything, rather than feel lonely? Whatever it is, the council are hindering rather than helping these confused adolescents. Sometimes it seems as though there is an almost sadistic element to the way right-on teachers torment distraught parents. Isn’t it odd to send people who think diversely off for re-education, or re-‘training’?

And another thing, after boasting that ‘diversity is strength’, isn’t it odd to send people who think diversely off for re-education, or re-‘training’? This is what the Sainted Bella did after Councillor Alison Thomson retweeted posts supporting JK Rowling and the feminist Germaine Greer. Even though the culprit apologised unreservedly, Chairman Sankey frowned, ‘I have also taken the decision to remove Councillor Thomson from her lead role on city centre renewal while further investigation is carried out and subject to her completing training.’ Because nothing says not being qualified to work on renewing city centres like believing in women’s rights.

But not even the re-training of the hapless Thomson was enough for one Green councillor, Chloe Goldsmith. She asked how Labour would ‘meaningfully demonstrate’ to lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, questioning/queer, asexual plus (LGBTIQA+) people that the party would stand up for them. This brought another avalanche of woo-woo affirmation from Labour, with the situation continuing ad infinitum.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/brighton-shows-why-you-shouldnt-vote-labour/

You are writing paragraphs on Mordaunt and glossing over the law that led us to genderism

That is oddly dismissing the root cause of where we are

“You just save time and effort by having a go where at where they're making the argument. So "ad locum" (at the place)?”

That’s such a shrewd observation. And “ad locum argument” is a great shorthand description of that phenomenon.

No I'm not, and I can see the "talking points" are out in force now. You can spot a campaign when...

No one is rattled. But you seem quite jumpy on this, maybe you feel rattled?

If we’re going to go back to see why we are where we are the law is why

I can see some are getting quite rattled for getting called out on this

Oh I’m not tired of anything, I just disagree with you and bored of being scolded by those who think they have the right to tell others how they should think and vote.

For the record, I WANT to vote Labour. I’ve voted Labour for years. But I will not vote for them all the time they think men can be women and I have genuine concerns that they will make life worse for women in terms of our rights, safeties and even identities.

So I may well vote Tory, much as that pains me. Want to be angry about that? Then be angry at the Labour Party who sold down the river all the women who would otherwise have voted for them. I didn’t leave Labour, Labour left me.

There are three people shouting at me purely for not thinking the Tories are GC saviours - why do you think I'm pushing back, Eastern? Of course I'm angry to see how throughly what was a grassroots women's pushback is being co-opted by politics-as-usual.

You can spot a campaign when...

Why, do you think we’re all pre-election Tory shills? Check our usernames, many of us have been here years.

@NecessaryScene you've made my nerdy heart so happy with that! “Ad locum” indeed!

sonia sodha has done another fantastic article today about Jo Phoenix which is on the guardian website. Would it somehow be far less fantastic if it was in the telegraph?

if this article from the spectator has been in the guardian would it suddenly be ok?

this isn’t a left and right issue, this is the actual biological reality of sex v people who think being a woman is liking pink, sparkly handbags & dresses issue

Anyone that genuinely wants to improve the day to day lives of women in the UK would never enable the Tories another term. They've had 13 years to sort this out. Why aren't they doing it now? They have a majority it would go through?

Instead they are using it as populist tool not because they give a toss about women's rights but because it gets them some votes. Labour are so pathetic on this issue but at least they won't cause as much endless misery to women through austerity, allowing Brexit, trashing the economy especially impacting the poorest especially in jobs over represented by women, destroying the NHS, running our schools and on and on.

Only a fool or a wealthy self interested person would vote for them in their current hideous guise.

Who is saying the Tories are GC saviours? Read any of the many threads on the subject here, there’s lots of people saying they’ll “hold their nose” and vote Tory or similar. Hardly announcing the Tories as saviours. But they DO know what a woman is and Labour do not. Why are you blaming women - and making insinuations that a “grassroots” movement could only possibly be acting the way is is because it’s been hijacked, rather than sentient women freely CHOOSING to act as they do - rather than blaming Labour for not being good enough?

Maybe “three people are shouting” because we feel you’re wrong and - like many of our Resident Scolders - bloody irritating and dismissive.

No one is shouting at you but you have stormed in with a strong view on posters and glossed over some fundamental facts

If you took a moment I’m sure you’d find no one is rattled, angry or shouting

But you might find people aren’t as generous with Labour and if that irritates then hopefully Labour will change their stance and women won’t demand it so much

@AndThatWasNY couldnt agree more. Truly scares me that people think the tories give a fuck about women - no evidence of this at all in the horror show of the last 14 years 😩.

This has was identified as a possible campaigning issue a good few years ago now - hard to believe this originally started being discussed here 10 years ago now, back during the Spartacus days when the board was more about our shock and anger at how EVERYONE had let us down.

Sadly I no longer find it at all unbelievable that there would be people on MN for years campaigning for political parties. And yes, of course there will be people who will be swayed by them - I am not longer that surprised when I see lazy "x party will do right by women" talking points repeated here, but it still irritates me.

They've had 13 years to sort this out. Why aren't they doing it now?

Labour have had 13 years to understand the issues that gender ideology causes women and come up with policies that protect us. Why aren’t they doing it now?

If you think Labour is the answer you’re going to have to post more on why rather than scold posters for not feeling the same way about them

Women on here get this kind of stuff from posters often. No one is campaigning. We are discussing the issues. Maybe join in without the accusations

Most people on here do seem to be politically homeless ex lefties.

Absolutely aghast that the left has fallen for this.

They aren't all 'Tories' in the slightest.

like many of our Resident Scolders - bloody irritating and dismissive.

Yes take it down a notch

@CreateHope seems to me quite obvious that no political party gives a fuck about women. Not a single bloody one of them.

we’re not stupid in here - we know full well that the Tories are only supporting a broadly CG stance because they see it as politically expedient. If they didn’t we’d be under the bus tomorrow. Labour, Lib Dem’s, SNP & greens care so little about women that they’re happy for men to not only announce they are one but then to privilege those men over actual women

frankly they can all fuck off

James Kirkup's extremely thoughtful, well written and carefully researched pieces for the Spectator were some of the very first to expose the implications of the trans lobby's demands for women's rights and the assault on gender critical women.

I often wonder if posters who pop up to scold us are actually clever fifth columnists. Because surely nobody actually thinks insulting and berating people will convince them to vote for who you want them to vote for?

Genderism isn't tied to left or right. It is it's own belief system and its adherents are trying to influence every party.

Yes the majority of Tory MPs are opposed now but that's because many have their own views about women that are just as unpleasant. They didn't give a shit when it was party policy.

If I lived in Brighton voting Tory might be my only option but nationally Labour are the least worst choice. Another Tory government will be disastrous for all.

How can you turn a blind eye to some of the articles the Guardian has published? Justifying the sex attacks on women in Cologne on NYE, being but one example?

Maybe, just maybe, each newspaper has some right fucking idiots with abhorrent views working for them, as well as others who sometimes make points that you agree with?

In what world is the Spectator a "hate rag"?!

Absolutely I agree they should. But don't tell me the Tories actually care about this. Or women's rights at all. They have the power to do this but haven't. Why on earth not? The party backs in their supports back it? What's stopping them other than a weak attempt at maintaining power? They have nothing left to offer as they've ruined our country and therefore are resorting to populist views to scrabble for votes.

The discussion above has made me think of another poster a while ago who did the usual 'it never happens, you're all just embroiled in a culture war!!', was shown various examples of what was being discussed and then slunk away claiming 'well, I've never read about it in the Guardian'....

I'm never going to vote Tory and the political choices are different (if depressing) here in Scotland. But given the essentially two party situation in England (I'm guessing Wales has some additional parties) and the vows from many, many people that they would never under any circumstances vote Tory, all Labour has to do is be less shite on this particular issue to romp home on a massive victory.

But Labour won't. Adherence to an ideology is simply too important.

It's baffling.