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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

4 year old boy started primary school as a girl...

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impossibletoday · 26/01/2024 21:57

https://twitter.com/CforWomenUK/status/1750997335570534457?t=a-oev8ZajeoOWM0nSOMhtQ&s=19

Now in year 4 is 'flashing their willy' at the girls.

Hopefully someone can archive the link

https://twitter.com/CforWomenUK/status/1750997335570534457?s=19&t=a-oev8ZajeoOWM0nSOMhtQ

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FrancescaContini · 27/01/2024 17:31

Naptrappedmummy · 27/01/2024 17:12

LBC doing a phone/text in on this now. Some bloke being interviewed saying kids should be asked if they’re trans from day 1 and nobody should assume they’re ‘cis’ 🤔

He’s taking the piss - surely?

OldCrone · 27/01/2024 17:32

The concept of gender reassignment for young children is dangerously nonsensical.

It is. Child transsexuals. It's absurd.

Naptrappedmummy · 27/01/2024 17:34

FrancescaContini · 27/01/2024 17:31

He’s taking the piss - surely?

No! And he’s being properly interviewed as some kind of authority (missed where from), not a member of the public phoning in. He also says children need to be asked about their sexuality Confused

EasternStandard · 27/01/2024 17:36

Naptrappedmummy · 27/01/2024 17:34

No! And he’s being properly interviewed as some kind of authority (missed where from), not a member of the public phoning in. He also says children need to be asked about their sexuality Confused

If it’s the same guy that I started listening to then Gendered Intelligence

I had to turn off, too much

viques · 27/01/2024 17:47

ilovebreadsauce · 27/01/2024 00:46

It is absolutely nobody else's business what is inside a 4 year old's pants. Have you thought the chikd might have been born intersex?

Do you actually understand what the now outdated term “intersex” means? I imagine you will soon, otherwise a bit of Googling might help.

bellinisurge · 27/01/2024 18:05

His parents need to be investigated by social services

VinegarTrio · 27/01/2024 18:07

Naptrappedmummy · 27/01/2024 17:34

No! And he’s being properly interviewed as some kind of authority (missed where from), not a member of the public phoning in. He also says children need to be asked about their sexuality Confused

These people will be drawing up lists of gender neutral names parents are obliged to pick from because no one is allowed to assume the child is a boy or a girl until they’ve been classified using the Dollies vs Trucks test during the preschool screening. 🙄🙄

Dangerous idiots.

FrancescaContini · 27/01/2024 18:49

EasternStandard · 27/01/2024 17:36

If it’s the same guy that I started listening to then Gendered Intelligence

I had to turn off, too much

Gendered Intelligence - is there an oxymoron in there somewhere? Or just a moron??

UtopiaPlanitia · 27/01/2024 19:51

Binglebong · 26/01/2024 23:06

The Church of England’s guidance for schools on bullying, titled “Valuing All God’s Children’, which includes a foreword by the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Rev Justin Welby, states: “The protected characteristic of gender reassignment only works one way – not being transgender is not a protected characteristic.

“Consequently schools can make adjustments to meet the needs of a trans pupil without being accused of discriminating against non-trans pupils.”

Fucking hell. Definitely no hierarchy there.

Not being transgender means the protected characteristic of sex (and/or belief) is relevant in carrying out an assessment. The girls have rights too.

This school is clueless and obviously not considering the needs of all its pupils.

itsmyp4rty · 27/01/2024 20:12

For years my niece wanted to be a boy, often wanted to be called by a boys name. None of us took it too seriously, would play along a bit every now and then. It all stopped once she got to secondary age and was never mentioned again. It was just a long phase that she went through because she was surrounded by boys (two slightly older brothers and 3 male cousins) and wanted to be the same as them.

TrainedByCatsToBeScathing · 27/01/2024 21:22

Binglebong · 26/01/2024 23:06

The Church of England’s guidance for schools on bullying, titled “Valuing All God’s Children’, which includes a foreword by the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Rev Justin Welby, states: “The protected characteristic of gender reassignment only works one way – not being transgender is not a protected characteristic.

“Consequently schools can make adjustments to meet the needs of a trans pupil without being accused of discriminating against non-trans pupils.”

Fucking hell. Definitely no hierarchy there.

I wonder how much involvement/influence Debbie Hayton had on the CoE’s guidance Hmm

Mumsfishnets · 27/01/2024 21:29

My heart breaks for these kids. My boys have all been through toddler phases of wearing dresses or wanting to push prams. One used to ask me to put his hair in bunches. It was just playful and fun and uncomplicated. I didn't discourage any of it because the feminist in me wanted the boys to know that men can do child rearing and care about their appearence and dress up. And i beleive in learning through play. We never threw enormous life changing choices at them by asking if they wanted to live as a girl.

I think of how small and innocent they were at 4 and the enormity of starting school, moving house etc. I cannot believe 4 year olds are being asked to consider their gender at this age. It makes me so angry. Children see everything in black and white. They should be able to trust adults...I'm just so upset everytime I read these articles. And it somehow makes it worse that society mistakenly believes its acting in the childs interest.

ThisOldThang · 27/01/2024 21:46

VinegarTrio · 27/01/2024 18:07

These people will be drawing up lists of gender neutral names parents are obliged to pick from because no one is allowed to assume the child is a boy or a girl until they’ve been classified using the Dollies vs Trucks test during the preschool screening. 🙄🙄

Dangerous idiots.

'Dollies vs Trucks test during the preschool screening'

Is this an actual thing?

VinegarTrio · 28/01/2024 07:17

ThisOldThang · 27/01/2024 21:46

'Dollies vs Trucks test during the preschool screening'

Is this an actual thing?

Arf. No.

I was taking the piss. But things have gone so bloody ridiculous that it obviously sounded like it might actually be. 😫

Vebrithien · 28/01/2024 08:02

It makes my blood boil at the lies being told to children, by the caregivers who should have their (the children) best interests at heart.

Children have magical thinking. My DD (7) still believes that Santa can make the built in fireplace open, that the tooth fairy collects her teeth and that unicorns might actually exist.

My DS (3) absolutely knows that Mummy is magical, as she can make a pudding from completely nothing! He also likes prams, trucks, running about screaming and cuddling up. He also calls everyone a "he"

If you tell a child they can change their sex, their magical thinking it'll mean that they truly believe it. When you are really selling them a life of medical dependency, with a very real chance that it will be cut short (increased risk of heart problems/strokes on wrong-sex hormones, the implications of a pre-term menopause on bone density). And if not, the risk of living a life dealing with scar tissue, potential surgical complications.

For what? In adulthood, to be a pale imitation of the opposite sex, that in the very vast majority of situation fools no-one.

How have we, as a society gone so backwards, as to stick so rigidly now to these harmful gendered stereotypes?

Edit for typo.

BlackeyedSusan · 28/01/2024 09:00

VinegarTrio · 27/01/2024 18:07

These people will be drawing up lists of gender neutral names parents are obliged to pick from because no one is allowed to assume the child is a boy or a girl until they’ve been classified using the Dollies vs Trucks test during the preschool screening. 🙄🙄

Dangerous idiots.

I'd still have a son and daughter from that test ...just the opposite way round! Some people really don't have any idea about normal child development.

ilovebreadsauce · 28/01/2024 11:11

Kucinghitam · 27/01/2024 00:49

Do expand, please. I'm eager to learn more from you.

#OperationLetThemSpeak

I don't know how I can expand on it not being your business on what genitals a 4 year old has?

OldCrone · 28/01/2024 11:17

ilovebreadsauce · 28/01/2024 11:11

I don't know how I can expand on it not being your business on what genitals a 4 year old has?

In the case of this child, we know exactly what genitals they have. It's in the OP.

Now in year 4 is 'flashing their willy' at the girls.

VinegarTrio · 28/01/2024 11:20

ilovebreadsauce · 28/01/2024 11:11

I don't know how I can expand on it not being your business on what genitals a 4 year old has?

Given the girls are seeing the genitals in question, I’m going to say that it does matter.

Regardless, the idea of a four year old with a trans gender identity is developmentally nonsensical. No one should be entertaining this rubbish.

VinegarTrio · 28/01/2024 11:21

It’s depressing that some posters think that ‘why do you care what anatomy is in a child’s pants?’ is some sort of mic drop moment.

ApocalipstickNow · 28/01/2024 11:37

And seems more bothered about talking about the exposed genitals than the exposure itself.

Don’t be so rude as to look, indeed.

RedToothBrush · 28/01/2024 11:55

ApocalipstickNow · 28/01/2024 11:37

And seems more bothered about talking about the exposed genitals than the exposure itself.

Don’t be so rude as to look, indeed.

Flashed? You shouldn't have been looking in the first place...

Safeguarding?
Victim blaming?
Coercive Control?

Nah. Course not. This is a primary school.

Oh. Wait.

ilovebreadsauce · 28/01/2024 12:05

Where is the evidence that the child would notbhave been exposing themselves had they been raised as a boy

pronounsbundlebundle · 28/01/2024 12:09

I don't really know where activists think the extra time in schools to discuss the gender of every individual pupil is going to come from. They're stretched enough as it is and some kids don't even have sufficient 1 to 1 reading time each week when learning to read (unless there are volunteers that come in).

Far more male trans prisoners are convicted sexual criminals than non-trans male prisoners. Make of that what you will.