4 year old boy started primary school as a girl...

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https://twitter.com/CforWomenUK/status/1750997335570534457?t=a-oev8ZajeoOWM0nSOMhtQ&s=19

Now in year 4 is 'flashing their willy' at the girls.

Hopefully someone can archive the link

You mean: the parents changed his name, bought different clothes and told everyone he’s now a girl. The poor child doesn’t “identify” as anything; he probably still needs help brushing his teeth, wiping his bottom and putting his shoes on. He has no agency over anything in his life at this stage. It’s all about his parents.

This can't be stated too often. 4 years olds - in fact children generally - don't have the life experiences or capacity to consent to undertaking the impossible task of "changing sex'.
What is happening is a complete breakdown of safeguarding. These children are being at the very least, emotionally abused - including the teenagers caught up in all this.

It’s astonishing that this needs to be pointed out, really. After all, there’s a reason why we can’t vote or get a tattoo until we’re 18 🤷‍♀️

The Telegraph have published a 'Telegraph View'. It doesn't add much to the previous articles but it's good they're still pursuing it

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2024/01/27/calling-gender-wrong-in-schools/

https://archive.ph/2nAFt

Then the adults are encouraging and enabling this. 4 year old children do not have autonomy. We don't allow them to choose whether they go to nursery/school, when to go to bed, whether to swear at people, whether to come on a family visit to the grandparents, and many other things. Where did this 4 year old boy even get the idea that identifying as a girl and changing his name/pronouns was at all an option?

At what age do kids start to do sex-segregated PE in schools these days? What will happen then?

from the Telegraph article

Some headteachers may have felt pressured into taking stances that are not in the interests of their pupils. If the new guidance is not adopted by schools in spirit and in letter, then new laws may be required.

That's exactly what I was saying. The reaction of transactivists to the loopholes in the government guidance will force the government into more stringent measures.

They just need to get a bloody move on.

And yes, what the hell reason is there for this child to be claiming they are the opposite sex? Have they got gender dysphoria? Are they under a doctor?

Where did it come from.

https://www.transgendertrend.com/uk-court-case-exposes-social-services-in-thrall-to-transgender-orthodoxy/

There was a court case about a 4 year old that totally peaked me.

Before that, I had heard plenty of trans PR pieces on R4 Today, including one where a mother was bringing her 4 yo up as the opposite sex. There is a sort of mystique to these articles, so that even when you don't believe them, you are left believing that there is something special about these children that needs some help or sorting.

This court case showed the reality. There is an everyday, banal abusiveness to it. I grew up with parents who worked in social care with neighbours and friends who worked in child protection and this brought everything home to me.

This court case should have been an end to cases like the boy in the OP. Questions should have been asked.

There is a sort of mystique to these articles, so that even when you don't believe them, you are left believing that there is something special about these children that needs some help or sorting.

Yes, you're right! There's an esoteric slant to them that hints at it being a medical condition, or innate, but never quite says so.

This court case showed the reality. There is an everyday, banal abusiveness to it.

Yes. The reality is a lot more prosaic, isn't it.

He's always had long blonde hair and I think it could be something along them lines, infact when he was identifying as a boy I thought he was a girl. I know lots of boys who also have long hair and are very much boys. But I do think the parents have guided him along, he looks like a girl and he's been led to believe he is one. I don't know but he uses the girls toilets too, it's been very confusing for the other kids

Yes. The reality is a lot more prosaic, isn't it.

I remember the mother using the every day methods that you would use to prepare a child for what will happen in the future - surgery - but of course it wasn't everyday at all.

The child became more disturbed, presumably as his awareness and understanding of reality around him grew. She also isolated him more and more as the world outside failed to comply with how she wanted things to be.

Is this the one where the child was sent to his father to live and he stopped identifying as a girl almost immediately?

They get changed separately from Y4.

Mixed activities throughout Primary, so I guess Y7 (assuming Secondary is not mixed).

Really the parents need looking at by social services. Some type of munchasen by proxy surely. But really ss will threaten to take the child away if you don't transition them because they are just as captured as the church.

Yes - he just let him do his own thing with no pressures, under direction from courts and ss etc, and the boy started asking for toys other boys had and then wanted to wear the same as them. Then the life with his mother started to come out.

He was 7 by then, too, like the boy in the OP.

Yes I remember that case. And mermaids trying desperately to discredit the judge.

Despite him being quite an expert in how the ideology affects children, iirc. And had written about it extensively.

He still didn't know he was doing, the bigot.

I've talked before about shared identities and the impact on those closest to someone who has transitioned and the impact.

We have the trans widows who talk about the impact on wives and children.

I've mentioned about how the Beaumont society many years ago talked about women having breakdowns over this.

Are we really surprised that very young children might end collateral damage to this?

And yet again we have this idea that the only protected characteristic in this scenario is gender and that's the only thing that matters. It's crap. Safeguarding still applies as does sex.

I see that people say it doesn't matter if they are a girl or a boy, they should just play if they like the child. That's fine to a point - but what we have here is a situation where the kids feel lied to and have had their ability to make informed choices removed. It therefore is a consent issue too.

Nor does it take into account what happens later when any of the four children do find out the truth. How does it impact them? Do they get confused over the relationship? How do the parents safeguard out of school in this situation? There's an issue with parental trust there.

The idea that it's no one else's business what is in a child pants is nonsense because eventually I these children will be teens and it very much will matter and will be relevant.

At some point someone will study the psychological impact of transition on families and close friends and it won't make for light, happy reading.

My experience of four year old boys is that they are obsessed with what's in their pants and this one seems no different.

He's not 4. He's year 4.

He was 4 when enrolled at reception age. He's now Year 3. Which is ages 7-8.

I looked up that barmy-sounding quote in the CofE schools guidance document Valuing all God's Children. The document is 50 pages long, mostly focused on bullying and doesn't give a lot of guidance on practical decisions like 'which loo'.

The quote:
"The protected characteristic of gender reassignment only works one way – not being transgender is not a protected characteristic. Consequently schools can make adjustments to meet the needs of a trans pupil without being accused of discriminating against non-trans pupils"

As a pp pointed out this isn't wrong: the PC of disability works in the same way. However the next thing to point out ought to be that of course schools ARE under the Public Sector Equality Duty to foster good relations between people with a protected characteristic and those without, and crucially, other people have other protected characteristics which also have to be taken into account. This is absent.

The quote is referenced to The Intercom Trust, Schools Transgender Guidance (2015), p. 12.

There's no sign of this document on the Intercom Trust website. However, this looks to be the same document, adopted at some point by Torbay safeguarding board.

This document draws the parallel with disability, and goes on to reference the PSED, though it doesn't draw out any implications, nor point out that 'special steps' might affect the rights of people with other protected characteristics, such as sex. (ie everyone).

"Unlike most of the protected characteristics, such as sex, race and religion, but like disability, this protection works in one direction only – not being transgendered is not a protected characteristic. Schools are therefore free to take special steps to meet the needs of Trans pupils without being accused of discriminating against pupils who are not Trans."

Interestingly, the Intercom Trust guidance is much less crazy than some later school 'trans toolkits' from advocacy organisations eg acknowledging some of the challenges of including boys in girls' sport rather than just suggesting that anyone who objects must be sent for reeducation or excluded.

I think schools have been desperate for guidance, and people with an agenda of 'trans inclusion is the most important thing in the whole world' have stepped into the void. The results are an appalling mess, as this dreadful story illustrates. Those poor children, all of them, but particularly the girls.

"I think schools have been desperate for guidance, and people with an agenda of 'trans inclusion is the most important thing in the whole world' have stepped into the void. The results are an appalling mess, as this dreadful story illustrates. Those poor children, all of them, but particularly the girls".

Agreed* *@worrieddragon . Sadly it's evident that a lot of people with a personal investment in young children transitioning have been allowed to influence policy on this. The are people who should be nowhere near decisions about children as their personal demands / beliefs drown out the need to protect children from age inappropriate, psychologically damaging issues.

LBC doing a phone/text in on this now. Some bloke being interviewed saying kids should be asked if they’re trans from day 1 and nobody should assume they’re ‘cis’ 🤔

It is patently - and developmentally - absurd to be transing a 4 year old starting reception. The parents and the school are unbelievably irresponsible.

The concept of gender reassignment for young children is dangerously nonsensical.

Adults are culpable in all this.

From the initial law makers to the activists, institutions and media