4 year old boy started primary school as a girl...

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https://twitter.com/CforWomenUK/status/1750997335570534457?t=a-oev8ZajeoOWM0nSOMhtQ&s=19

Now in year 4 is 'flashing their willy' at the girls.

Hopefully someone can archive the link

That'll learn us.😂

There is another thread about Debbie Hayton’s article and book.

In the article DH states they now realise they have always actually had a paraphillia,”Malaga Airport” so I’m not deleted.

I believe paraphillia’s are behind a lot of the GI belief and the aim to remove the barriers protecting women and girls.

These include exhibitionism and voyeurism. According to the article this 4 year old is displaying signs of exhibitionism. Yes they are only 4 but we teach children about privacy, the pants rule etc. because we are not born knowing societies rules.

By 4 most children have been taught the pants rule. The urge to show his penis is stronger than his peers, is sexual abuse a factor or exhibitionism?

This is on point. Great post

What a depressing story for all those children. The C of E's "guidance" for schools demonstrates a wilful disregard for children's safety that openly dismantles safeguarding protection for children.

"The protected characteristic of gender reassignment only works one way – not being transgender is not a protected characteristic....Consequently schools can make adjustments to meet the needs of a trans pupil without being accused of discriminating against non-trans pupils".

In the light of the grim history that C of E has for failing to safeguard children with allegations and disputes continuing to this day, it's reasonable to ask precisely who contributed to and signed off on those guidelines?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63144354

Is it a coincidence that they recently sacked their Safeguarding Board ?(apologies for the Guardian link) :

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/09/safeguarding-crisis-church-of-england-archbishop-of-york

Perhaps it's not so much that the girl doesn't want to be friends with a boy as she doesn't want to be friends with an abusive liar?

Can you explain a bit more what you mean please?

Can you please explain what you mean by intersex? Thanks.

He's 4, he's not an "abusive liar". My own 4 year old thinks he's an astronaut and will tell everyone this, is he an abusive liar too?

He is year 4, so now 7/8

My own 4 year old thinks he's an astronaut and will tell everyone this, is he an abusive liar too?

I imagine not, as presumably there isn't a phalanx of adults around him trying to enforce the role play on everyone else. Or is there?

Children at those sorts of ages 4-7 need to learn the difference between play and reality. Compelling children to treat play as reality would be abusive.

Sure, the parent who knew was being a right weirdo not telling her own kids. But the parents interviewed saying their child has been robbed of her childhood, seriously what are they on about. All they have to say is oh sorry Zoe, I didn't realise that Bobby is a boy. Some boys think they're girls. They're wrong, that's what your dad and I think. We didn't know, adults make mistakes too sometimes, but we'll never intentionally lie to you.

Most of the problems (Bobby told them there are ghosts in the toilets, Bobby hits them, they don't like Bobby because they don't like boys) are nothing to do with transness, they're normal mixed primary school problems being sensationalised to make people think a fucking four year old is abusive. We are failing all the children by going along with this rhetoric.

the parents interviewed saying their child has been robbed of her childhood, seriously what are they on about.

Plainly you don't know any year 3 girls. Good.

What does this mean?

There's some confusion on this thread about the age of the child, as the title says "4 years old" - refers to when they started school.
They are now in year 4. So aged 8/9?

It means - obviously- that if you think girls who've been sold a lie since reception are just going to hear:

"All they have to say is oh sorry Zoe, I didn't realise that Bobby is a boy. Some boys think they're girls. They're wrong, that's what your dad and I think. We didn't know, adults make mistakes too sometimes, but we'll never intentionally lie to you"

And they'll carry on unaffected then you don't know girls this age. Or the bonds they make. Or the sense of devastation they feel when a friendship breaks down through things like lies.

And according to the article, adults did actively lie to children. It's an abomination and the Church has some serious explaining to do. Hopefully before a Select Committee and hopefully very soon. Including how the hell they put a boy on the school roll as a girl when that contravenes the law. You have to be enrolled according to your birth certificate. So there falsifying records too, which I want the Church to explain.

Most of the problems (Bobby told them there are ghosts in the toilets, Bobby hits them, they don't like Bobby because they don't like boys) are nothing to do with transness, they're normal mixed primary school problems being sensationalised to make people think a fucking four year old is abusive.

Or maybe they are confused children - and I include Bobby in this - struggling to make sense of a world where they are being gaslighted and lied to by the adults who they rely upon for stability and trust.

We are failing all the children by going along with this rhetoric.

Agree 100%.

Bloody hell that statement from the archbishop is something else. Makes me wonder if it was deliberately so stark. How could you write or read that and not think - "hang on a minute.."

Which is the reason why I'm concerned about his behaviour, now, at that age, within the contexts of toilets and what he's been led to believe about his rights to girls' toilets.

In one school I was at we were delivering sex Ed to Year 4. It's usually year 5 but obviously in y4 the single sex changing rules come into play. Many schools start swimming lessons in y4 with another round in y5 as y6 is sats.

Or maybe they are confused children - and I include Bobby in this - struggling to make sense of a world where they are being gaslighted and lied to by the adults who they rely upon for stability and trust.

We are failing all the children by going along with this rhetoric.

Absolutely

I’m embarrassed for people that come in here to scold us and use intersex like it’s some kind of gotcha. 1 intersex is an outdated term, correct term is DSD disorder or difference of sexual development 2. people with DSD are still either male or female and 3. People with DSD have asked many many times not to have their medical condition weaponised by TRA

"The protected characteristic of gender reassignment only works one way – not being transgender is not a protected characteristic....Consequently schools can make adjustments to meet the needs of a trans pupil without being accused of discriminating against non-trans pupils".

I think this bit is actually correct. It's similar to how disability is a protected characteristic, but not being disabled isn't.

But the legitimate adjustments would be something like allowing a boy with the pc of gender reassignment to wear the girls' uniform. This wouldn't be discriminating against other boys who are not allowed to do this, because they don't have this protected characteristic.

When there is a conflict with other protected characteristics, the other pcs still have to be considered. There is obviously a conflict in allowing a boy to use girls' toilets, since the protected characteristic of sex still applies, so other arrangements have to be found for him. Gender reassignment being a one way pc doesn't mean that all other pcs can be ignored.

I was quoting a previous poster, but I meant somebody with a DSD. I’m not aware of any other meanings, though I agree it isn’t the preferred term.

The boy seems to think it's important and to want others to know to the point of flashing.

Poor child being lied to and his poor classmates too. I'd be finding another school if my child was in a school who abused kids like this.

My dds friend started nursery as a boy and at 4 years old identifies as a girl. Wears girls clothes, identifies as she and changed their name.

At 4 my niece identified as an owl & wore a set of wings. That didnt mean that we encouraged her when she tried to climb on the shed to see whether she would fly

she also at other times identified as a cat and a dinosaur

a 4 year old has no concept of ‘gender identity’ unless it’s been implanted by adults imposing gendered expectations around clothes & toys