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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

4 year old boy started primary school as a girl...

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impossibletoday · 26/01/2024 21:57

https://twitter.com/CforWomenUK/status/1750997335570534457?t=a-oev8ZajeoOWM0nSOMhtQ&s=19

Now in year 4 is 'flashing their willy' at the girls.

Hopefully someone can archive the link

https://twitter.com/CforWomenUK/status/1750997335570534457?s=19&t=a-oev8ZajeoOWM0nSOMhtQ

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OldCrone · 26/01/2024 22:05

Archive links

https://archive.is/3KzMG

https://archive.is/vuZGw

IcakethereforeIam · 26/01/2024 22:08

Thanks @OldCrone I was just going to post the archive link but I hadn't noticed the 2nd article.

Those poor children including 'Bobby'. The school safeguarding lead claiming that because not being trans is not a protected characteristic the school had no choice but to deceive and then lie to the other children, parents and some of the teachers. How can a 4 yo come out as transgender?

Wetandhorrible · 26/01/2024 22:11

IcakethereforeIam · 26/01/2024 22:08

Thanks @OldCrone I was just going to post the archive link but I hadn't noticed the 2nd article.

Those poor children including 'Bobby'. The school safeguarding lead claiming that because not being trans is not a protected characteristic the school had no choice but to deceive and then lie to the other children, parents and some of the teachers. How can a 4 yo come out as transgender?

Vegan cat,I think?

IcakethereforeIam · 26/01/2024 22:12

Just what I was thinking.

Cosmosforbreakfast · 26/01/2024 22:15

A 4 year old cannot 'come out' as transgender. At that age they could be a fecking fish finger one day and a dinosaur the next. They have no clue of sex or gender. This has to be an Insta mommy and daddy exploiting their child for likes and follows.

eurochick · 26/01/2024 22:18

Vegan cat were the first words that sprang to my mind when I saw the headline.

OldCrone · 26/01/2024 22:19

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Cosmosforbreakfast · 26/01/2024 22:26

That was a quick delete. TRAs must be out in force tonight.

ResisterRex · 26/01/2024 22:47

This is extremely disturbing. The lies are of such a magnitude. Safeguarding doesn't feature at all, not even one tiny iota.

Public inquiry time.

Mumofteenandtween · 26/01/2024 22:59

When my ds was that age he was a superhero! He would regularly go invisible. (Hide behind something and then suddenly pop out!) He also used to fly to Russia at night and catch baddies. (This was pre Ukraine invasion.) If he caught 10 baddies in one night then he got a treat - to go on an iPad!

Do you want to know a secret - he wasn’t really a superhero!

Binglebong · 26/01/2024 23:06

The Church of England’s guidance for schools on bullying, titled “Valuing All God’s Children’, which includes a foreword by the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Rev Justin Welby, states: “The protected characteristic of gender reassignment only works one way – not being transgender is not a protected characteristic.

“Consequently schools can make adjustments to meet the needs of a trans pupil without being accused of discriminating against non-trans pupils.”

Fucking hell. Definitely no hierarchy there.

JellySaurus · 26/01/2024 23:20

Consequently schools can make adjustments to meet the needs of a trans pupil without being accused of discriminating against non-trans pupils.

What? So allowing a male child access to the girls' facilities, entirely against the regulations providing for girls' privacy, dignity and safety, is not discriminating against the girls? The girls' trans status is irrelevant!

PriOn1 · 26/01/2024 23:43

I wonder in how many schools this scenario is being enacted at the moment.

My sister has friends with a boy that they call their daughter. I’m not sure how old he is, but I did wonder how long the pretense could survive once he hits puberty. This boy didn’t even get that far.

I wonder how many more girls are being gaslit at five. It’s not great when small children are having these “wrong body” type lies stuffed down their throats all the time, but it might be even more damaging when the adults flat out lie like this.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 26/01/2024 23:46

As for Bobby, what hideous pressure is that poor seven-year-old under, trying to live a lie while presenting as a girl to friends and teachers? Little wonder he is lashing out

They need to look more carefully at the parents who push this bullshit onto their children. The only way a 4yo could come the conclusion he is a girl is if his parents put the idea in his head.

Fenlandia · 26/01/2024 23:52

Binglebong · 26/01/2024 23:06

The Church of England’s guidance for schools on bullying, titled “Valuing All God’s Children’, which includes a foreword by the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Rev Justin Welby, states: “The protected characteristic of gender reassignment only works one way – not being transgender is not a protected characteristic.

“Consequently schools can make adjustments to meet the needs of a trans pupil without being accused of discriminating against non-trans pupils.”

Fucking hell. Definitely no hierarchy there.

We often talk of trans being a "sacred caste" on these boards, when laws, common sense and language get thrown under the bus to accommodate TRA demands.

But I've rarely seen it spelled out so blatantly as this quote.

Kucinghitam · 27/01/2024 00:00

Binglebong · 26/01/2024 23:06

The Church of England’s guidance for schools on bullying, titled “Valuing All God’s Children’, which includes a foreword by the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Rev Justin Welby, states: “The protected characteristic of gender reassignment only works one way – not being transgender is not a protected characteristic.

“Consequently schools can make adjustments to meet the needs of a trans pupil without being accused of discriminating against non-trans pupils.”

Fucking hell. Definitely no hierarchy there.

As so often with The Right Side of History, I encounter something and think "What the fuck have I just read?" You'd think I would be past surprise by now, but nope.

ErrolTheDragon · 27/01/2024 00:12

Doesn't that idiot realise sex is a protected characteristic?Hmm

songaboutjam · 27/01/2024 00:24

She said the trans-identifying child had been “flashing their willy” at the girls. He is believed to have told them in the toilets about “dark spirits that will suck their souls out” and said it is a “deep secret” that “she” is actually a boy, but they mustn’t tell anybody.

Whilst I imagine the above is done in all innocence, it's truly awful to see "flashing" and "deep secret" in the same sentence. Let alone a sentence that the teachers appear to support. What is it teaching those little girls?

Also concerning is the comment about dark spirits. Is this is just typical kid talk, or is this reflective of something else going on in his life?

MouseMinge · 27/01/2024 00:25

That little boy is being damaged by all of this. He's bullying, he's acting out and because of his "protected characteristic" he's getting away with it.

I think there's an element of "reward" in it for him, not that I think he would even understand it in that way. Being a girl makes him special to his parents and because he's special he gets more love, more attention, more - as we'd have put it when I was a child - spoiled. He's living the lie of his parents and the better he lives that lie the more he gets from them. Right now, in terms of his ability to understand the game they're making him play, there is nothing but reward for him and he's a child, of course he's happy to "be a girl" because that's what makes him special and being special, etc.

Interestingly, because he is a spoiled boy he is showing the sort of behaviour one would expect from a spoiled boy of that age. He's acting out, because he can, after all there seem to be no repercussions for him punching a girl in the stomach or other violent acts. If he was seen as the little boy he is he'd be punished for that behaviour but he isn't, so why not be even naughtier? After all he's not going to get into trouble, Until one day, of course, he will. And as he gets older the pretence that his parents are pushing will be a more obvious lie. It's easy to pass as a boy or a girl when we're that young, less so once puberty kicks in. He's already taller and stronger than the girls and that will only become more pronounced.

I'm sorry, I'm sort of rambling, trying to get my thoughts in order. This currently spoiled, "special" little boy will be damaged by this game that grown adults who should know better are playing. This "protected characteristic" isn't protecting Bobby at all and it's in danger or ruining his life. The girls have lost their trust and innocence which is absolutley appalling but I dread to think what he is losing and what he still stands to lose.

duc748 · 27/01/2024 00:30

I'd agree with all of that, Mouse, So sad that children are being let down like this.

Kucinghitam · 27/01/2024 00:32

Great post @MouseMinge!

Anklespraying · 27/01/2024 00:36

Binglebong · 26/01/2024 23:06

The Church of England’s guidance for schools on bullying, titled “Valuing All God’s Children’, which includes a foreword by the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Rev Justin Welby, states: “The protected characteristic of gender reassignment only works one way – not being transgender is not a protected characteristic.

“Consequently schools can make adjustments to meet the needs of a trans pupil without being accused of discriminating against non-trans pupils.”

Fucking hell. Definitely no hierarchy there.

Cricky only one way, hasn't heard of fluid, pan, star and Omni etc? And which way is non binary going?

The man is an idiot.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 27/01/2024 00:36

Binglebong · 26/01/2024 23:06

The Church of England’s guidance for schools on bullying, titled “Valuing All God’s Children’, which includes a foreword by the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Rev Justin Welby, states: “The protected characteristic of gender reassignment only works one way – not being transgender is not a protected characteristic.

“Consequently schools can make adjustments to meet the needs of a trans pupil without being accused of discriminating against non-trans pupils.”

Fucking hell. Definitely no hierarchy there.

Does the CofE have particular expertise in either bullying or the law that qualifies them to issue this guidance?