Edinburgh Arts Group to launch play about JKR called TERF C**T – where Daniel, Rupert and Emma stage an 'intervention'

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The play, which will be performed on stage in New York next month and is being touted for the Fringe this summer, sees the author's 'surrogate children – Daniel, Rupert and Emma' stage an 'intervention'

Civil Disobedience, which has its roots in the Edinburgh Fringe and was launched by Barry and Josef Church-Woods in May 2016, described it as a "vital think-piece on Joanne, exploring just what could motivate a person with such privilege to take such a divisive stance on issues that affect her fans".

It has been written by Joshua Kaplan, a "queer screenwriter and playwright", and will be performed at The Actors Studio in New York City on Thursday, February 8.

A press release advertising the show claims: "Please note: TERF C**T is not a kill piece. It provides space for reflection and ultimately offers the audience time to explore some of the more contentious aspects of JK's life."

The synopsis for the show continues: "Joanne led a blessed life – for a woman. Billionaire. Literary phenomenon. Natural ginger. And most importantly, beloved. Completely beloved. Until she blew it all to hell.

"From book deals to divorces, family dysfunction to broken friendships, TERF C**T goes beyond the headlines to explore the woman that captivated a world with her books only to unravel a legacy with her tweets."

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/celebrity-news/jk-rowling-attacked-standing-up-31948409

I read part of an interview with this person. He said he’s trying to create a dialogue. It might be interesting- I’ll wait for the reviews!

Is that a dialogue as in 'oi you SLAG - hey, why are you leaving? Smile, love, you'd be a lot better looking. Oh you're fucking off are you? Frigid bitch'

MN Terven hit Edinburgh with a specially written play exploring modern attitudes towards women?

That's some new definition of "dialogue" where you start off by name-calling. I expect JKR's lawyers have already been over the show in the US (New York?) to make sure it's not defamatory and Stockbridge is not Festival central so it's likely to be a bit of a damp squib.

This is the Fringe so maybe they could do the dialogue with the usual audience participation:
"We'll do our JKR improv based on something from in people's pockets, what's everyone got? Oh you've got a pen, you've got a lipstick, you've got a bus ticket, you've got a copy of the ERCC tribunal judgment... OK let's go with that."

Pretty pathetic all in all isn’t it, bless them. No one would know who they were if they hadn’t used JKR’s ‘name’. Sad little sacks desperate for attention.

Cisgender is in most dictionaries, try looking it up if you're still struggling? It has a definition and it not defined as a slur or offensive by any dictionary.

You're right, the prefix cis is used in chemistry and many other contexts (see image).

Question- if anyone finds cisgendered "offensive", are you also offended by the words heterosexual or neurotypical? I've seen people say "cis is offensive because we don't need a word for normal", however if you said the exact same thing about hetero or neurotypical you would be implying homosexuals or disabled people were "not normal"?

It is interesting to note today's transphobia is almost identical to homophobia from the 90s and earlier.

Homosexual women and heterosexual women are still women. Trans women and "cis" women are not both women.

It is interesting to note today's transphobia is almost identical to homophobia from the 90s and earlier.
It is interesting to note you are talking out of your arse.

The problem is that the prefix "cis" is wholly redundant. It doesn't add anything to the word "woman".

And anything that trys to explain "cis" by introducing the fallacy about someone's sex being "assigned" at birth - as if it's the result of some purely arbitrary decision made by healthcare staff - is talking complete bolleuax from the outset and can safely be dismissed

(Oh hang on. It's from ChatGPT... 😄 )

Surely anyone who goes to see a play called TERF is a bad ally and needs to be cancelled?

Re "cis", no-one has ever explained which genders 'match' with each sex, so I don't know how anyone knows if they're cis or not. Posters like to plop on here to use it then quietly slink off when they can't explain what they supposedly believe.

Which gender is the same as female sex, and why/how do you know?

False.

There's a debate over whether trans women are women, but cisgendered women are certainly woman. As advised, look it up in any dictionary.

Everyone is either trans or cisgendered, like it or not.

I love that, how do you know which genders match which sex . Brilliant

I think you have missed my point.
They are not both women.
Not, they are both not women.

As advised, look it up in any dictionary.

I'm asking what your understanding of it is @Christinapple

Do you think that a cis woman is a female person who positively has a gender identity that you believe 'matches' the female sex? If so, what gender do you think that is, and why do you believe this?

I personally don't think that either sex has any sort of personality or behaviours (other than those linked directly to the physical body) or character traits that 'match' it, just like 'right-handed' doesn't or 'underweight' doesn't or 'bald' doesn't.

Way back in the past there used to be a whole field of study that insisted physical characteristics manifested themselves as personality traits. I had thought we'd moved on from that.

There are two sex classes, women and men. Women don't need a prefix to be included in our own sex class.

There's a debate over whether trans women are women, but cisgendered women are certainly woman. As advised, look it up in any dictionary.

Everyone is either trans or cisgendered, like it or not.

"Cisgender" is simply meaningless in-group jargon that most people don't understand. If it made any actual sense, a "trans woman" would be a female person who identifies as a man, which in fact is what a significant number of people think it means.

Quite.

I'm happy to accept for the sake of argument (1) that "genders" exist in the form of stereotypical male and female role models, and (2) that therefore "genders" are purely social or cultural concepts.

What I can't understand - given that gender is a cultural or social concept - is how a person can conclude that the gender society has constructed or imposed on them does not correspond with their biological sex.

To me that would indicate (1) that the subject has some sort of developmental problem, or (2) they've been brought up in a very odd way where the parents have not socialised the child appropriately according to their biological sex, or (3) that the subject has some underlying psychological or mental health problem.

Also if gender is a social or cultural construct, how can there be 72 genders as I understand some people argue? In western society there's generally no need for more than two.

There still exist effeminate men and masculine women who are still - respectively - men and women.

Do you not understand what the phrase "Transwomen and "cis" women are not both women" means?

It does not mean that neither of them are women - it means that only one of them is.

Guess which?

No "dictionary" is an arbiter of scientific fact, although you might want to appeal to one to back up your non-scientific social studies concepts. A dictionary simply explains how words are used, not if the conceptes they represent exist or have any foundation in reality.

Do unicorns exist?

I'm not trans and I'm not cisgendered. I simply have a sex and I developed normally. (Sorry if that offends you and you'll have an attack of the vapours but that's reality)

Yup, it is that simple!

Everyone is either Christian or Heathen, like it or not

Just as true to the people who believe it, just as meaningless to the people who don't.

Explain to me, without making any assumptions about my personality, preferences or capbilities, what it is that I, who understand myself to be a woman only because for most of my life that was the name for female people, have in common with trans women but no other males, and so-called "cis women" but no other females. Then explain to me why this thing that no one recognised until the last few decades, that is so personal no one would know you have it unless they tell you, is the "real" meaning of the word Woman and the real reason women need woman-only spaces, protections and opportunities, while the fact of body sex, the thing that everyone can tell about you and the that society was looking at when it decided who got to vote, own money and property and hold professional jobs and who got to do the unpaid domestic labour and get the beatings has nothing to do with the reasons women might need these things.

[mike drop] 👏

If I am cis gendered, which means my gender matches my sex, please describe it.

Please describe the attributes of a cis gendered woman, so we can all identify if we are one or not.

It is interesting to note today's transphobia is almost identical to homophobia from the 90s and earlier.

"homophobia"

lol Christinapple, when you support an ideology that claims two fathers having sex are lesbians and has advocated for the sterilisation of gay youth, maybe think twice before using words you don't understand.

I am really sorry to derail slightly as this isn’t about JKR or the play, but if trans women are women, then surely renaming women as cis women to differente them from trans women is othering the trans women, and therefore discriminatory to trans women? So trans women and their allies really shouldn’t be calling women cis women.

If I am to be labelled - it should be a label I choose for myself. It won't be CIS. Whatever this ethereal womanly essence is, I appear to be deficient. I don't own a dress.