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Edinburgh Arts Group to launch play about JKR called TERF C**T – where Daniel, Rupert and Emma stage an 'intervention'

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IwantToRetire · 25/01/2024 20:11

The play, which will be performed on stage in New York next month and is being touted for the Fringe this summer, sees the author's 'surrogate children – Daniel, Rupert and Emma' stage an 'intervention'

Civil Disobedience, which has its roots in the Edinburgh Fringe and was launched by Barry and Josef Church-Woods in May 2016, described it as a "vital think-piece on Joanne, exploring just what could motivate a person with such privilege to take such a divisive stance on issues that affect her fans".

It has been written by Joshua Kaplan, a "queer screenwriter and playwright", and will be performed at The Actors Studio in New York City on Thursday, February 8.

A press release advertising the show claims: "Please note: TERF C**T is not a kill piece. It provides space for reflection and ultimately offers the audience time to explore some of the more contentious aspects of JK's life."

The synopsis for the show continues: "Joanne led a blessed life – for a woman. Billionaire. Literary phenomenon. Natural ginger. And most importantly, beloved. Completely beloved. Until she blew it all to hell.

"From book deals to divorces, family dysfunction to broken friendships, TERF C**T goes beyond the headlines to explore the woman that captivated a world with her books only to unravel a legacy with her tweets."

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/celebrity-news/jk-rowling-attacked-standing-up-31948409

JK Rowling attacked in foul-mouthed new show from Scottish arts company

The play, which will be performed on stage in New York next month and is being touted for the Fringe this summer, sees the author's 'surrogate children – Daniel, Rupert and Emma' stage an 'intervention'

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/celebrity-news/jk-rowling-attacked-standing-up-31948409

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BezMills · 22/05/2024 03:11

Does anyone remember the Choose Your Own Adventure books? (I got one free from collecting tokens on weetabix boxes)
Gender is just like that. You choose your own gender adventure. Nobody else can decide, assume or assign your gender.
I am Agender, which some say is "under the trans umbrella". In case you were interested, (you probably are not, that's fair )

You ask people's (folx's etc) gender ( if you are interested in gender at all, which you nay or may not be ). You don't tell them (zhem etc) their (zheir etc) gender or genders.

All this cissing people needs to stop, it's misgendering on an industrial scale.

MrsTerryPratchett · 22/05/2024 05:11

Cisgender is in most dictionaries, try looking it up if you're still struggling? It has a definition and it not defined as a slur or offensive by any dictionary.

Well if that 6th form debate argument worked, surely we could just keep the old dictionary definitions of man and woman and have done.

Or does language change by usage, and usage can turn a typical word into a slur?

Winnading · 22/05/2024 06:02

Christinapple · 21/05/2024 23:46

False.

There's a debate over whether trans women are women, but cisgendered women are certainly woman. As advised, look it up in any dictionary.

Everyone is either trans or cisgendered, like it or not.

Fantastic, you evidently know a lot about this. Please can you explain gender.
What is it, how do you know you have one, what does it feel like.

ApocalipstickNow · 22/05/2024 07:07

Oh look, yet again someone defending gender ideology using the term “normal” to describe women.

I hve only ever seen “normal” to describe biological women from “allies” I have never seen anyone else here use that term.

And then linking it with neurotypical/divergent. 🙄

The Trans/cis thing is more like me deciding as I drink Non Alcoholic beer everyone else needs to use the term Alcoholic Beer for their drink, because it just means it’s not non alcoholic.

popebishop · 22/05/2024 07:28

The Trans/cis thing is more like me deciding as I drink Non Alcoholic beer everyone else needs to use the term Alcoholic Beer for their drink, because it just means it’s not non alcoholic.

Sorry, I have to disagree, because at least beer can be alcoholic or not! That would've made sense when trans meant "someone who desires to be the opposite sex".

Asking if your sex matches your gender is like asking if your race matches your nationality.

WickedSerious · 22/05/2024 07:28

Christinapple · 21/05/2024 23:46

False.

There's a debate over whether trans women are women, but cisgendered women are certainly woman. As advised, look it up in any dictionary.

Everyone is either trans or cisgendered, like it or not.

Nope,everyone is male or female.

WarriorN · 22/05/2024 07:37

Cis and trans are both very sexist concepts

SinnerBoy · 22/05/2024 07:41

Christinapple · Yesterday 22:59

Question- if anyone finds cisgendered "offensive", are you also offended by the words heterosexual or neurotypical?

"Cisgendered" isn't in my OED, but the N word is. Some people refer to Black people with that word, do you defend their "right" to that and order Black people not to be offended?

Wherewerewerewear · 22/05/2024 07:46

Thelnebriati · 21/05/2024 23:54

There are two sex classes, women and men. Women don't need a prefix to be included in our own sex class.

Simple, isn’t it.

RebelliousCow · 22/05/2024 08:03

BezMills · 22/05/2024 03:11

Does anyone remember the Choose Your Own Adventure books? (I got one free from collecting tokens on weetabix boxes)
Gender is just like that. You choose your own gender adventure. Nobody else can decide, assume or assign your gender.
I am Agender, which some say is "under the trans umbrella". In case you were interested, (you probably are not, that's fair )

You ask people's (folx's etc) gender ( if you are interested in gender at all, which you nay or may not be ). You don't tell them (zhem etc) their (zheir etc) gender or genders.

All this cissing people needs to stop, it's misgendering on an industrial scale.

I'm asuming this is an ironic sketch? You never really know. 😁

Brainworm · 22/05/2024 08:06

What a binary way of viewing the world, cis or trans!

I wonder if the poster is a god worshiper or a devil worshiper? I wonder if s/he supports Celtic or Rangers?

I find the lack of self reflection from self identified 'open minded', and 'inclusive' people quite gobsmacking at times. If you believe that people should be able to identify as any gender, it is very easy to respect that some people do not define themselves in any way that relates to gender. If they were inclusive and open mindedthey would not coercively assign people 'cisgender' or 'transgender'

ArabellaScott · 22/05/2024 08:08

Everyone is either trans or cisgendered, like it or not.

'Everyone is wither saved or damned, like it or not'.

RebelliousCow · 22/05/2024 08:09

Christinapple · 21/05/2024 22:59

Cisgender is in most dictionaries, try looking it up if you're still struggling? It has a definition and it not defined as a slur or offensive by any dictionary.

You're right, the prefix cis is used in chemistry and many other contexts (see image).

Question- if anyone finds cisgendered "offensive", are you also offended by the words heterosexual or neurotypical? I've seen people say "cis is offensive because we don't need a word for normal", however if you said the exact same thing about hetero or neurotypical you would be implying homosexuals or disabled people were "not normal"?

It is interesting to note today's transphobia is almost identical to homophobia from the 90s and earlier.

Cisgender is purely conceptual - and is applied only by those who subscribe to gender theory. It is the quivalent of a religious person referring to non believers as 'sinners' or 'the fallen ones'. People generally understand what is meant by these terms, and the contexts in which they are used, but don't subscribe themselves.

Heterosexual, homosexual and neurodiverse/typical are descriptive terms for factual real world realities such as same sex attraction, autism, asperger's and so on.

RebelliousCow · 22/05/2024 08:13

Christinapple · 21/05/2024 23:46

False.

There's a debate over whether trans women are women, but cisgendered women are certainly woman. As advised, look it up in any dictionary.

Everyone is either trans or cisgendered, like it or not.

The only place that is 100% true is in your world - not in the world that the vast majority inhabit.

Transwomen are male by definition....therefore not female. A woman, by common understanding, is an Adult Human Female. It is a biological signifier, not a social one.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 22/05/2024 08:22

popebishop · 22/05/2024 07:28

The Trans/cis thing is more like me deciding as I drink Non Alcoholic beer everyone else needs to use the term Alcoholic Beer for their drink, because it just means it’s not non alcoholic.

Sorry, I have to disagree, because at least beer can be alcoholic or not! That would've made sense when trans meant "someone who desires to be the opposite sex".

Asking if your sex matches your gender is like asking if your race matches your nationality.

Asking if your sex matches your gender is like asking if your race matches your nationality.

Oooh I like that!

FrancescaContini · 22/05/2024 08:23

It is thanks to people like @Christinapple that this godawful mess has been created for our children.

testing987654321 · 22/05/2024 08:27

"There's a debate over whether trans women are women, but cisgendered women are certainly woman. As advised, look it up in any dictionary.

Everyone is either trans or cisgendered, like it or not."

I've looked it up. I don't have a female internal sense of gender, I am pretty certain that if I did I would find many things most women seem to like doing less confusing.

Does this make me trans? You say everyone is one or the other!

Edinburgh Arts Group to launch play about JKR called TERF C**T – where Daniel, Rupert and Emma stage an 'intervention'
BezMills · 22/05/2024 08:52

RebelliousCow · 22/05/2024 08:03

I'm asuming this is an ironic sketch? You never really know. 😁

Little bit from Column A, little bit from Column B.

😉

I just think it's hilarious when some wannabe genducator scolds people on the Internet without apparently knowing the first thing about gender.

popebishop · 22/05/2024 09:39

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 22/05/2024 08:22

Asking if your sex matches your gender is like asking if your race matches your nationality.

Oooh I like that!

Credit to the other MNer who came up with that years ago when I was trying to find an apt analogy... like "does West correspond with "left" "? it's two ways of looking at something that is superficially similar, or may coincide, but actually not at all useful to treat as if they are interchangeable.

Datun · 22/05/2024 09:52

testing987654321 · 22/05/2024 08:27

"There's a debate over whether trans women are women, but cisgendered women are certainly woman. As advised, look it up in any dictionary.

Everyone is either trans or cisgendered, like it or not."

I've looked it up. I don't have a female internal sense of gender, I am pretty certain that if I did I would find many things most women seem to like doing less confusing.

Does this make me trans? You say everyone is one or the other!

"Internal sense of gender"

It's never explained is it?

turbonerd · 22/05/2024 12:38

ApocalipstickNow · 22/05/2024 07:07

Oh look, yet again someone defending gender ideology using the term “normal” to describe women.

I hve only ever seen “normal” to describe biological women from “allies” I have never seen anyone else here use that term.

And then linking it with neurotypical/divergent. 🙄

The Trans/cis thing is more like me deciding as I drink Non Alcoholic beer everyone else needs to use the term Alcoholic Beer for their drink, because it just means it’s not non alcoholic.

Just being an arse now, but you are not either neurotypical or divergent. That is actually a spectrum depending on how well you function in society. So you can have many (at least several) markers of neurodivergent traits, but still function so well in society that you are considered within the neurotypical.

Whereas sex really is binary; either female or male. Your biology, fixed at conception and all that jazz.

Gender is just a lot of poop, only reflecting fashion sense and what sort of stereotypes one fancies trying on for size today. Which we can do in our fairly secular society, but most certainly not in most societies where you MUST adhere to the stereotypes under pain of death.

Not aimed at you @ApocalipstickNow
Just ranting into space because I agree with you that words have meanings and they matter.

turbonerd · 22/05/2024 12:38

Datun · 22/05/2024 09:52

"Internal sense of gender"

It's never explained is it?

It’s INEFfAble.
I’m 72% sure

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/05/2024 13:07

ArabellaScott · 22/05/2024 08:08

Everyone is either trans or cisgendered, like it or not.

'Everyone is wither saved or damned, like it or not'.

Indeed.

ZeldaFighter · 22/05/2024 13:15

I wonder if coffee shops should change their names? After all, coffee can be either decaffeinated or caffeinated.

Would you need to label it "Tradename Caffeinated Coffee" so everything was clear?

Is it ok to just say "I want acoffee" or do you have to specify so you don't get given decaff? 🤔

lcakethereforeIam · 22/05/2024 13:44

Do you want cis or trans cola, that cis with sugar or trans without, not cis with caffeine or trans without, then there's all the queer colas with mango, cherry, lemon, bovril, etc. they can be cis or trans too. There's got to be at least...ooh...72 permutations.