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Edinburgh Arts Group to launch play about JKR called TERF C**T – where Daniel, Rupert and Emma stage an 'intervention'

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IwantToRetire · 25/01/2024 20:11

The play, which will be performed on stage in New York next month and is being touted for the Fringe this summer, sees the author's 'surrogate children – Daniel, Rupert and Emma' stage an 'intervention'

Civil Disobedience, which has its roots in the Edinburgh Fringe and was launched by Barry and Josef Church-Woods in May 2016, described it as a "vital think-piece on Joanne, exploring just what could motivate a person with such privilege to take such a divisive stance on issues that affect her fans".

It has been written by Joshua Kaplan, a "queer screenwriter and playwright", and will be performed at The Actors Studio in New York City on Thursday, February 8.

A press release advertising the show claims: "Please note: TERF C**T is not a kill piece. It provides space for reflection and ultimately offers the audience time to explore some of the more contentious aspects of JK's life."

The synopsis for the show continues: "Joanne led a blessed life – for a woman. Billionaire. Literary phenomenon. Natural ginger. And most importantly, beloved. Completely beloved. Until she blew it all to hell.

"From book deals to divorces, family dysfunction to broken friendships, TERF C**T goes beyond the headlines to explore the woman that captivated a world with her books only to unravel a legacy with her tweets."

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/celebrity-news/jk-rowling-attacked-standing-up-31948409

JK Rowling attacked in foul-mouthed new show from Scottish arts company

The play, which will be performed on stage in New York next month and is being touted for the Fringe this summer, sees the author's 'surrogate children – Daniel, Rupert and Emma' stage an 'intervention'

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/celebrity-news/jk-rowling-attacked-standing-up-31948409

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Christinapple · 21/05/2024 01:13

ZeldaFighter · 26/01/2024 16:21

Isn't it offensive on its own to use the C word though? Outraging public decency etc

I can't imagine being allowed to call Tom Cruise or King Charles or Rishi Sunak or Tom Holland a c in the title and get away with it? Is it just women you're allowed to call cs 😞

Cisgender?

No it's not offensive, and the people you mentioned are all cisgendered.

(As far as I know, if any of them are trans let me know and I will post a correction.)

dunBle · 21/05/2024 01:41

@Christinapple they mean the anatomical c-word not the gender one.

StealthSpinach · 21/05/2024 01:53

dunBle · 21/05/2024 01:41

@Christinapple they mean the anatomical c-word not the gender one.

Although both are offensive…

BezMills · 21/05/2024 05:06

Cisgender is one of the myriad gender identities and one is free to identify as cisgender or any of them to any extent or none. Assuming or assigning cisgender is misgendering.
The First Rule of Gender Club is "we do talk about Gender Club"
Sorry, wrong movie
The First Rule of Gender Club is, and this is something I think all people who think gender is really important surely know,
"Nobody gets to tell you what your gender is ( or genders are )"

ZeldaFighter · 21/05/2024 07:27

Christinapple · 21/05/2024 01:13

Cisgender?

No it's not offensive, and the people you mentioned are all cisgendered.

(As far as I know, if any of them are trans let me know and I will post a correction.)

I meant C word as in cunt.
Not cisgender.
If anyone called me cunt, I'd swing for them but if anyone called me cisgender, I'd stare, then laugh. I have 3 kids and massive tits. I'm a woman.

Edited as autocorrect changed the c word 😂

EmpressaurusOfTheScathingTinsel · 21/05/2024 07:56

If people want to identify as cisgender or any other gender that’s up to them but I’m quietly Hmm.

I identify as ‘Gender is a sexist and homophobic concept.’

InvisibleBuffy · 21/05/2024 08:13

Christinapple · 21/05/2024 01:13

Cisgender?

No it's not offensive, and the people you mentioned are all cisgendered.

(As far as I know, if any of them are trans let me know and I will post a correction.)

'Cisgender' is as unpleasant and offensive as 'cunt'. There is nothing inoffensive about pushing a belief that the majority of women naturally align with the patriarchal gendered stereotyping that has been expected of them since birth.
It is deeply sexist and offensive to anyone who knows women are just people.
There is a reason so many women are rejecting the label and why it is particularly detested on a feminism board like this one.
'Cis' is misogynistic AF.

InvisibleBuffy · 21/05/2024 08:14

Also, anyone using the word 'cunt' in the title of a play about a woman they disagree with has lost the high ground. Rank misogyny on show.

Christinapple · 21/05/2024 09:38

InvisibleBuffy · 21/05/2024 08:13

'Cisgender' is as unpleasant and offensive as 'cunt'. There is nothing inoffensive about pushing a belief that the majority of women naturally align with the patriarchal gendered stereotyping that has been expected of them since birth.
It is deeply sexist and offensive to anyone who knows women are just people.
There is a reason so many women are rejecting the label and why it is particularly detested on a feminism board like this one.
'Cis' is misogynistic AF.

It just means someone who isn't trans, that's all.

The Latin prefix cis goes back to Ancient Rome, and cisgender was coined about 30 years ago. It's nothing new, but has been used more in recent years as (for some reason) trans people have now became a much talked about subject in Britain.

lcakethereforeIam · 21/05/2024 09:43

The title has been amended for its run at the Fringe, it's now just called 'Terf'. Much less offensive Hmm

I find being called cisgender offensive. It assumes I have a quasi-religious belief in a mystical 'gender' bollocks, something that has no more bearing on me than assuming whether I am Sunni or Shia.

Thelnebriati · 21/05/2024 09:59

Its hilarious that anyone would think the blanked out word ''C**T'' was 'cisgender'. Are you new to misogyny?

SinnerBoy · 21/05/2024 10:00

Christinapple · Today 09:38

It just means someone who isn't trans, that's all.

No, it's a made up term imposed by trans zealots, who insist that we all have a gender identity. It's unnecessary and entirely redundant, because we already have the words "woman" and "man" for about 1,000 years. Everyone understands those words.

And it's offensive to label someone with a word they don't want to be saddled with.

Datun · 21/05/2024 10:01

Christinapple · 21/05/2024 09:38

It just means someone who isn't trans, that's all.

The Latin prefix cis goes back to Ancient Rome, and cisgender was coined about 30 years ago. It's nothing new, but has been used more in recent years as (for some reason) trans people have now became a much talked about subject in Britain.

Cis is, as far as I'm aware, generally used in chemistry, not at people.

But if the current ideological interpretation means 'not trans' and a cis woman is 'not a transwoman', then it's a word that defines all women on the basis that they're not a man.

Why would anyone think that women will accept the definition of 'not a man who thinks he's a woman'.

Sexist as fuck.

MarieDeGournay · 21/05/2024 10:15

Whatever the etymology of 'cis' - yes we get it, cisAlpine and all that - the issue is Group A deciding to force an unwanted label on Group B.

The fact that many in Group B object to the label per se is important, but not as important as the right to self-determination by Group B as to what they'll be called.

There are lots of groups in society and around the world who were 'named' by somebody else, who have rejected those labels and are now known as what they choose to be known as.
In this case, we didn't choose 'cis woman', and thanks but no thanks, we'll stick with 'woman'.

Winnading · 21/05/2024 10:50

Christinapple · 21/05/2024 09:38

It just means someone who isn't trans, that's all.

The Latin prefix cis goes back to Ancient Rome, and cisgender was coined about 30 years ago. It's nothing new, but has been used more in recent years as (for some reason) trans people have now became a much talked about subject in Britain.

We have a word for women who aren't trans. Its 'WOMEN' hth

We dont need another longer word for women.
And cis is just urgh, I refuse to be labelled like that.
Kindly do not misgender me again.

Wherewerewerewear · 21/05/2024 10:53

‘No, it's a made up term imposed by trans zealots, who insist that we all have a gender identity. It's unnecessary and entirely redundant, because we already have the words "woman" and "man" for about 1,000 years. Everyone understands those words.

And it's offensive to label someone with a word they don't want to be saddled with.’

Quite. One of the methods of the TRA has been to try and modify the English language to suit their motivations. It’s all incoherent nonsense of course.

Datun · 21/05/2024 11:20

It really is the height of arrogance to demand that the entire population redefine themselves in relation to a handful of sexist zealots.

Fortunately very few people put up with it.

Datun · 21/05/2024 11:29

And you know for sure that it's an act of supreme self-interest, because as soon as TRAs, like India Willoughby, realised that some women were indeed using the word cis for themselves, India wanted to be called cis too!

The plan was, I believe, to have these men called themselves women, and for women to have to be cis women. Because the men were so determined to be women.

But then the distinction is still there.

That's the problem with wanting to be a woman, but also wanting to retain enough of a distinction to enjoy that cosy male privilege.

That's why these men have dual identities. That of a woman, and that of a transwoman, depending on which one they're trying to leverage.

If they're a woman, they can colonise everything that is meant for women only, and if they're trans, they can have all the things that are meant for trans only.

Or in Eddie Izzard's case, flit between being a man, a woman, and a transwoman. Depending on what Eddie wants at the time.

That's why language is important. As is the binary nature of sex.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 21/05/2024 11:35

The play sounds like something a 15 year old might write as a revenge piece.

BezMills · 21/05/2024 11:40

I am Agender (subtype 'gender is bag of dicks which can jump in a bin' ), which is under the trans umbrella, so I'm told. But I might change my mind later, that's ok too.

What I am not and never will be, is cisgender. Cisgender sounds SHITE. "Ohh I identify with the sexist homophobic stereotypes traditionally associated with my sex, because that sounds fuckin great, that does" - said nobody ever.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 21/05/2024 11:42

The other reason why "cis" is such a problem is that it encourages people to allow male people into places where they don't belong. If you provide a service for "women" then you would usually expect to include all kinds of women. And if you use this "cis" language" then at first glance that means ciswomen (female women) and transwomen (male women). Then you have to make a special argument why "transwomen" are excluded along with other males.

So just using the term "ciswomen" creates a default expectation that (in old money) men should be allowed to go where women (in old money) don't want them to.

InvisibleBuffy · 21/05/2024 12:44

Christinapple · 21/05/2024 09:38

It just means someone who isn't trans, that's all.

The Latin prefix cis goes back to Ancient Rome, and cisgender was coined about 30 years ago. It's nothing new, but has been used more in recent years as (for some reason) trans people have now became a much talked about subject in Britain.

Yes, 'cis' effectively means 'on this side', 'trans' is across from. The point still stands. This is all about gender stereotypes.
Sex is biological. Gender is the cultural stereotyping associated with sex.
Women don't want a label that means they're on 'this side' of a gender stereotype.
Gender is patriarchal nonsense. All this does is reinforce gender boxes instead of getting rid of them.

PermanentTemporary · 21/05/2024 13:31

There are plenty of women who are trans. Unfortunately female people who transition often use the label trans man, instead of the accurate version which would be trans woman.

Wherewerewerewear · 21/05/2024 13:38

PermanentTemporary · 21/05/2024 13:31

There are plenty of women who are trans. Unfortunately female people who transition often use the label trans man, instead of the accurate version which would be trans woman.

Exactly. And we all know why men who pretend to be women adapted the term ‘trans woman’ as opposed to what would be the correct term ‘trans man’ - a man who is transitioning. Another language stealth.

Not that the predatory men are transitioning anyway.

Christinapple · 21/05/2024 15:58

Thelnebriati · 21/05/2024 09:59

Its hilarious that anyone would think the blanked out word ''C**T'' was 'cisgender'. Are you new to misogyny?

I missed that. It's because I've seen cisgender being discussed a lot on twitter.

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