Non Binary Teachers

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My daughter (older teen) has had a total of three non binary teachers across primary and high school.
All were biologically female.
All went by Mx.

I asked her about her observations of them and anything she noticed in common with them as I was curious about how they have affected her education over the years.

"They all try too hard to connect with their students in an inappropriately informal way, talking a lot about personal life and relationships. A lot of talk about gender as would be expected. Sharing stuff about their own personal lives and relationships to the class and asking us about our relationships."

"They hijack the subjects they are teaching putting gender in. So for example we had a relief teacher in an English class giving us a paper about girls saying they are boys and having mastectomies and we were asked to rewrite it in our own words. I wrote on the paper I didn't agree with it."

"All of them have trans flags, stickers, posters saying TRANS IS BEAUTIFUL. Advertising it as a lifestyle choice basically."

"They try and be charismatic by putting on the nb front of 'coolness' and progressiveness but actually they are all quite awkward and square."

"Clothing wise they still all majorly present as women. They might have a short haircut but they wear dresses and makeup and I don't see how they even look androgynous or are breaking any stereotypes."

"A lot of time in classes is spent trying to imprint their opinions on us and they go off topic. They only try and relate to the girls. They don't have the skills to relate to the boys. A couple of the girls in my classes talk openly about having crushes on these teachers."

"The MX is a big thing, they get very snippy if they aren't MX'd, even by kids who are struggling to understand basic things. The pronouns are always seen as more important than the student."

Curious stuff isn't it?
I can't imagine these teachers having power in schools for much longer.

Well, we are in a pickle now, aren't we? The Scottish goverment says sex and gender are interchangeable terms.

The idea students are wrong on this is problematic

Biology is fact based and I don’t see how anyone should be made to feel they’ve messed up

@ArabellaScott You are supporting him insisting there are only two genders when in fact you don't believe in gender, only sex?

*Always worth remembering- The daily mail is not a reliable source.

See the clip I posted up thread. The boy was disciplined for stating there were two genders

The boy was disciplined for secretly videoing his teacher and putting it on social media

Teachers should be really pleased when children have all kinds of different views eg vote Tory as I do or Labour as a lot of teachers do. The should be penalising pupils who have a different view and in particular not penalise pupils who state facts rather than state Stonewall type views that are unproven.
This case about a teacher is appalling and I hope he wins his litigation

"Lister v. Disclosure and Barring Service Misgendering case

A teacher is suing the Government after he was banned from working with children for 'misgendering' a student. Kevin Lister lost his job a further education college last year after refusing to refer to a 17-year-old female student by a male name and pronouns without gaining the parents' permission. The maths teacher was then informed in December that he was being placed on the 'Children's Barred List' by the Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS) - the Home Office body responsible for carrying out criminal record checks - because he had engaged in conduct that had 'endangered a child'. The decision came on the same the day the Government issued its long-awaited transgender guidance for schools (see item above this one).

However, Mr Lister was told by the DBS that their ruling was based on his refusal to call his student by her preferred male name, pointing to her instead of using this name and expressing his gender critical beliefs to her. As a result of this behaviour the authority concluded that he had caused 'distress' and 'emotional harm' to the young person.

Mr Lister branded this claim as 'absurd' and lodged a judicial review against DBS in the High Court. His case will contend that the body has breached the Equality Act 2010 by discriminating against him on the grounds of his protected belief that a person cannot change their biological sex. He was reported as saying that he felt that the DBS decision was an attempt to 'ruin his life' and force him into early retirement. 'As a result of being placed on this list I can barely do anything,' he said. 'I certainly can't get a teaching job and won't be able to continue the voluntary work with the local athletics club as I've done for the last couple of years because they require DBS validation. Potentially I can't even go to the United States because visa applications get reviewed against any barring list. So it's an astonishingly draconian decision putting me in the same category as a paedophile. They say I'm a danger to children, but this is absolutely absurd when I put my students' safety as my number one priority. If you can't say something to a student because you might upset them, then by that logic you can't tell a student to 'work harder' if they score a bad mark in a test.'
Mr Lister further explained that he was bringing the legal action in the hope of ensuring other teachers who hold similar gender-critical beliefs are not subjected to the same 'disproportionate' punishment. He added: 'To enforce teachers to support a child's fantasy that they are the opposite sex and then you fire them and ban them from working with children in the future is something that you would imagine only happening in Stalin's Russia.'
The judicial review is shortly be launched as in January 2024 a pre-action letter was issued. Mr Lister is represented by barrister Anna Loutfi.
A DBS spokeswoman said: 'Educational settings implement their own safeguarding policies and are responsible for ensuring that all employees are committed to supporting the wellbeing of pupils and students. When people fail to or indicate that they will not comply with these policies, there is a legal duty to refer for barring investigations. The Disclosure and Barring Service is responsible for making fair, thorough and consistent decisions when a person is referred to barring. The decision to bar an individual is taken if there is evidence that the person has engaged in conduct that has harmed a child or adult or put them at risk of harm, and where there is a risk of recurrence. This is not strictly limited to physical harm but also psychological harm.'

In the clip, the boy was removed from the class and reprimanded for stating there were two genders. I'm not talking about his subsequent exclusion.

You could take a look at the Brighton & Hove trans toolkit implemented in countless schools (and beloved by transactivists). The Cornwall guidelines are the least extreme of the lot and look what happened there:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/4640421-dfe-settles-in-cornwall-cases.
Take a look at the Stonewall Diversity champion guidance for schools?
https://www.transgendertrend.com/stonewall-school-champion/

Ofsted until recently were Stonewall Diversity champions pushing teaching gender identity issues until they were outed for being under pressure from Stonewall for not talking to primary children enough about gender identity. Ofsted reverse ferreted and now don't mention Stonewall.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/18/ofsted-cites-lack-gender-identity-lessons-factor-primary-school/

The DfE funding of trans lobby groups to work in schools is eye watering. As this shows, women on here have been discussing this for many years
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/3154752-Trans-extremism-schools

Yesterday's outing of independent boarding schools with policies about children sharing dormitories / bedrooms with the opposite sex:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/4992346-choose-your-dorm-according-to-gender

This is all evidence of the impact of trans groups on schools and how they encourage teachers to promote an adult ideology lacking in a scientific factual base to children.

If you want more personal accounts, this board has been host to countless accounts from desperate teachers and frightened parents sharing how their child has been transitioned in secret from them.

Safe Schools Alliance is an additional place to research if this is the first time you've become aware of what's happening:

https://safeschoolsallianceuk.net/

There's much more evidence out there sadly

What on earth do you mean I don't 'believe' in gender? Gender is a social construct, as you've said. I agree with you on that. Gender is virtually infinite - some would call it 'personality'.

And no, I'm not supporting the lad concerned's view, I'm saying that it is outrageous that he was disciplined for politely stating his view. Do you understand that it's possible to disagree without needing to try and get someone sacked/expelled/disciplined/cancelled?

Of course, and I've made no comment on the schools actions.

Children ask questions, though, such as "Why"? And this would then lead to a necessary explanation of the whole ideology and why that teacher ( responsible adult) is subsumed by it. You cannot just say to children " Because they want you to and that's that"

Hope you found the links useful? That's just the tip of the iceberg. Thought you might be interested in hearing the words of a teenager about how they see gender indoctrination in schools:

https://www.transgendertrend.com/gender-indoctrination-schools-teenage-girls-testimony/

And the words of a teacher:
https://www.transgendertrend.com/ideology-in-schools/

Gender is a theoretical concept - which is/can be validated through social acceptance and approval. Without social acceptance it is mere theory.

It is a narcissitic manipulation by an adult of a powerless child, in order to validate the teacher's self image, and as well as a contentious theory.

@Perfect28 you know as well as I do that he meant two biological sexes, even if he believes in stereotypes. "Gender" is the prissy synonym for sex, for non gender identity believers.

We've got Judith Butler to thank for all of this 'gender' business. Gender was simply not a word that was used before except in very specific circumstances or when refering to linguistics ( Masculine/Feminine word endings or forms)

@MrsOvertonsWindow thanks, I imagine transgenderttrend are completely unbiased 🙃

So tired of this ‘social construct’ bollocks.

We were making progress as women before this gender nonsense. Now we’re seeing even more regressive sexist stereotypes being used to put people into gender boxes. They may be called fun things like non binary but it’s ultimately someone opting out of sexist stereotypes.

It’s cowardice, instead of saying ‘this is my sex and I’m cool with having a personality’ suddenly we’re seeing non conforming women having mastectomies and trying to hide from their biological truth. Stick some glitter and rainbows on it all you like but it’s more sexist than it’s ever been.

Report me all you like. As a woman in STEM, a tomboy growing up and someone who put two fingers to the world when someone called me ‘boyish’ or too loud I say - protect the kids especially the girls from
this dangerous ideology which seeks to repress the female even further.

Rejecting the gender binary is saying "I am a woman," and going against all the stereotypes associated with that, some or a few.

Being non binary is creating a new, confused and controlled binary of them and us. (That often seems very gender conforming tbh.)

And label the thems cis. Which is offensive as millions of thems break the gender binary all the time in all sorts of ways.

When being female is associated only with oppression the only people who want to identify in to it are male fetishists with sissisfication and humiliation fantasies.

Transgender Trend are openly child safeguarding centred which for some reason upsets a lot of transactivists. Some of them even see safeguarding children as (checks notes) "right wing bigotry".

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4954762-pushing-back-against-safeguarding

transgendertrend came about because mermaids and stonewall didn't give a stuff about safeguarding and were building on the back of the quality work that they had done for the LGB community.

In many ways this reminds me of the Christian chemistry teacher I had. He was a nice man but we students learned early on how to manipulate him to give us answers to quizzes if class veered off topic and we didn't cover what we were supposed to. This was because he'd always stop the lecture if one of us said, "I'm having doubts in my faith." He'd then pull out his Bible and find verses to reassure us. We loved it because we could zone out, sleep or write notes to our friends while he prioritized his proselytizing.

Like all teens, we didn't fully think this through because by the time national college exams came along, we had pretty poor scores in Chemistry.

If I've understood you correctly, you have been called a range of titles (including sir and mum) and have no strong feeling about the pronouns that are used when describing you (they, she or he).

If all people who identify as non-binary were as relaxed as this about their belief not being "validated" by insisting that others used their preferred titles/pronouns, this would help considerably.

If staff members are actually doing any of the things described in the OP, then a formal complaint should be raised.

Agreed.

While I would still have reservations about non-binary gender identities (specifically where they are used to erase sex-based differences where these are important for clarification e.g. women's sports), I would be comfortable accommodating someone's belief if my children and I were not compelled to use the language related to it e.g. my child could freely talk about men and women, girls and boys, males and females in relation to teachers without being "corrected" by a non-binary or trans-identified teacher. It is never "incorrect" to use sex-based pronouns. Sadly, the excellent examples above show that this middle ground of common sense doesn't really exist in the real world because there is always overreach.

I would report it. I would also announce that there is a clear bias here, in that any student who shows signs of not supporting the teacher will be marked down or even just treated worse. And the support or lack thereof of a teacher can make a big difference to learning.