The pope says 'gender theory' causes divisions

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'Peace requires respect for the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Attempts to introduce new rights, which are not always acceptable, lead to instances of ideological colonization that create divisions rather than fostering peace, as in the case of gender theory.'

https://twitter.com/Pontifex/status/1746147585331703936

How is it "ideological" to say that most people's internal perception of themselves correlates with their sex, but for some people it doesn't?

It's ideological to say that such a perception has value when it's wrong.

There are no other circumstances when incorrect perceptions take priority over reality.

Yes we don’t allow people to legally falsify their birth certificate because they ‘feel’ 25 when they’re 46

Yes, all perception is internal. If you're able to perceive your sex then you have an internal perception of it. That's all gender identity is. Again, not rocket science. If you're imagining it's something more esoteric than that, you're making it more complex than it is.

How people behave, think, look, dress, act, what they believe is entirely up to them and doesn't depend on their sex.

Yes. Most trans people would agree with you. Again, the vast majority of trans people do not believe they are a particular gender because of the way they dress or act. They might dress or act a certain way to bring themselves in line with the typical presentation of the gender they feel they are, but that's different to believing that's what causes them to be that gender.

Yes, all perception is internal. If you're able to perceive your sex then you have an internal perception of it.

No, I just know what sex I am. There are only two of them, after all.

So does this apply to other attributes as well?

So if I am a 5' tall woman with brown eyes, if my internal perception of myself is a 6' tall man with blue eyes does that mean that that is my height/gender/eye colour identity?

So, if I have blue eyes (and you could check this by seeing me or a reliable image of me) and I said I had brown eyes.... would I be stating a truth or a falsehood?

If you're able to perceive your sex then you have an internal perception of it. That's all gender identity is.

Therefore people who have a gender identity different from their sex don't have a gender identity.

They might dress or act a certain way to bring themselves in line with the typical presentation of the gender they feel they are, but that's different to believing that's what causes them to be that gender.

Why would they do that? Is that because they like gender stereotypes?

If you're able to perceive your sex

On the mumbo-jumbo scale this is a definite 10.

If you're able to perceive your sex then you have an internal perception of it. That's all gender identity is.

So your gender identity is the same as your sex?

'able to perceive your sex'.

Reach down and grab hold of it, you mean?

What, like Theresa May, former Prime Minister?

Former Ministers for Women & Equalities, Amber Rudd, Nicky Morgan and Penny Mordaunt?

Former and current Chairs of the Women and Equalities Select Committee, Maria Miller and Caroline Nokes?

Former Chair of the All Party Parliamentary Group on Global LBGT+, Crispin Blunt?

Yeah, all these TWAW people in powerful positions in parliament aren't Conservatives ... oh, hang on ... so they are!

I think they've actually just said that people with a gender identity different from their sex (ie transgender people) don't exist.

Prawn appears to be a transphobe.

@PrawnLiberationFront can you say why sex but not other biological attributes can be falsified?

Why not age? Other than the law for one dysphoria

I am trying to understand exactly what Prawn means by an internal perception of sex.

Can you be more specific Prawn? At the moment it feels as if you are trying to nail jelly to the wall.

Why not age? Other than the law for one dysphoria

This is basically universal. Almost all the word games and fallacies you see used to try to create gender identity from sex would work perfectly well for anything.

So the primary question becomes - 'why sex, specifically?' They need to justify why they're playing these games with only this concept.

Knowing something is an internal perception.

Have you never experienced an internal perception? No thoughts, no feelings, no knowledge?

How can you feel like the opposite sex?

Do you feel like that?

Seriously though, this is what I mean-because you're so ideologically commited to denying gender identity exists you have to adopt this bizarre faux-naivity and pretend you don't know what a concept as simple as an "internal perception" is. You have to pretend it's all horribly esoteric and complex but it isn't so you just make yourself look silly.

I perceive that I am papabile. Therefore I am Pope. Pontifex Maximus. I would appear on my modest balcony, only it's a bit cold. Better wait till I'm more infallible.

Perception does not mean the same as thoughts, feeling or knowledge.

I don't deny that other people have a belief they call gender identity. They can hold whatever beliefs they want. I most definitely disagree that this belief is universal and in fact agreed scientific fact.

Seriously though, this is what I mean-because you're so ideologically commited to denying gender identity exists you have to adopt this bizarre faux-naivity and pretend you don't know what a concept as simple as an "internal perception" is. You have to pretend it's all horribly esoteric and complex but it isn't so you just make yourself look silly.

You have zero self awareness.

Not personally. But I have listened to the countless people who have described that they do feel that way and rather than arrogantly dismissing them and assuming that they must all be liars or mad, I accept that they are describing a genuine feeling, even if it is not one I've felt myself.

Because that's the crux of it isn't it. If you don't believe they're describing a genuine feeling then you must believe that all trans people are liars or mad. Which I suspect is what some of you do believe but I'm interested if you would admit it.