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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The pope says 'gender theory' causes divisions

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ArabellaScott · 16/01/2024 14:44

'Peace requires respect for the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Attempts to introduce new rights, which are not always acceptable, lead to instances of ideological colonization that create divisions rather than fostering peace, as in the case of gender theory.'

https://twitter.com/Pontifex/status/1746147585331703936

https://twitter.com/Pontifex/status/1746147585331703936

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PrawnLiberationFront · 16/01/2024 19:23

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/01/2024 19:18

Did you know you can believe in all these things without villifying trans people. Crazy but true.

Thinking gender identity ideology is nonsensical isn't "vilifying" anyone.

There is no gender identity "ideology" any more than there is a "gay agenda". The very fact you express it in those terms is villifying.

quantumbutterfly · 16/01/2024 19:24

I identify as someone tall but for some reason I need help getting stuff off the high supermarket shelves, reality is so oppressive.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/01/2024 19:25

There certainly is an ideology that any male saying he identifies as a woman means that everyone has to validate and accept his proclamation. How can you claim in good faith that there is not?

fedupandstuck · 16/01/2024 19:25

Of course it's an ideology. It's one that I don't ascribe to. There are many of those.

Being gay is not an ideology.

PrawnLiberationFront · 16/01/2024 19:26

lordloveadog · 16/01/2024 18:47

Also, no perception can be internal. By definition perception involves some kind of external input through the senses.

Perception isn't what Prawn means. Perceptions don't arise spontaneously in humans separate from material and social contexts.

Although by coincidence, neither do beliefs about gender identities or sex stereotypes. Anything belief that someone of a particular sex must feel male or female in a particular way is learnt and profoundly social.

I'm sorry, how rude of me to imagine concepts like an "internal perception" are obvious when I appear to be talking to a group of robots who've never had a thought or feeling in their life and need to be handheld through what one is or where it might occur.

The faux-naivety persists and is off the scale.

Hepwo · 16/01/2024 19:27

PrawnLiberationFront · 16/01/2024 19:19

Have you never had an internal feeling, Hepwo? We can delve into dualism and whether thoughts and feelings happen in your brain or mind if you like, but let's just suffice to say this internal feeling happens in the same place your other internal feelings do.

Yes, it's all going on in either a male or female body. One of the two.

Unless you think I have a lady brain and men can get lady brain accidentally?

Do tell?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/01/2024 19:27

I don't get why TRAs and their supporters think it's some kind of gotcha to pretend an obviously subjective belief which other people are expected to accept without question isn't an "ideology".

It's really quite a curious argument.

PrawnLiberationFront · 16/01/2024 19:27

fedupandstuck · 16/01/2024 19:25

Of course it's an ideology. It's one that I don't ascribe to. There are many of those.

Being gay is not an ideology.

Is this "ideology " in the room with us right now?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/01/2024 19:28

Well yes, obviously, you brought it in.

fedupandstuck · 16/01/2024 19:28

Come on Prawn, you can debate better than this, surely?

EasternStandard · 16/01/2024 19:29

PrawnLiberationFront · 16/01/2024 19:19

Have you never had an internal feeling, Hepwo? We can delve into dualism and whether thoughts and feelings happen in your brain or mind if you like, but let's just suffice to say this internal feeling happens in the same place your other internal feelings do.

People have all sorts of internal feelings

The only reason this particular internal feeling has caused a conflict is because it was singled out for new legislation in 2004

Hopefully the law will correct at some stage so safeguarding can be re established, and women can access single sex spaces

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/01/2024 19:29

Also, that's a silly, meaningless Twitter response. You'll have to do better where people are expected to actually back up their opinions with rational arguments.

PrawnLiberationFront · 16/01/2024 19:32

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/01/2024 19:21

It's amusing that you think you're being clever with your little digs at people.

I genuinely don't know what else to say to people who are floundering around pretending to struggle to understand what a feeling is.

PrawnLiberationFront · 16/01/2024 19:33

EasternStandard · 16/01/2024 19:29

People have all sorts of internal feelings

The only reason this particular internal feeling has caused a conflict is because it was singled out for new legislation in 2004

Hopefully the law will correct at some stage so safeguarding can be re established, and women can access single sex spaces

Yes, as we all know trans people sprung into existence in the UK in 2004.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/01/2024 19:34

I genuinely don't know what else to say

Yes that's abundantly clear.

Hepwo · 16/01/2024 19:36

EasternStandard · 16/01/2024 19:16

So a male can feel whatever way they wish and look however they want and enter female spaces

Can they enter female spaces for women and girls of all ages?

Where’s the safeguarding?

@PrawnLiberationFront

Is this "authentic"?

quantumbutterfly · 16/01/2024 19:36

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/01/2024 19:34

I genuinely don't know what else to say

Yes that's abundantly clear.

😂

PrawnLiberationFront · 16/01/2024 19:39

Hepwo · 16/01/2024 18:52

The feeling seems to be in the penis as that's the bit they seem to always want surgery on? So is this feeling internal to genitals? Inside my vag I have a lady feeling?

Asking for a friend.

Do you usually think with your vagina?

Hepwo · 16/01/2024 19:39

PrawnLiberationFront · 16/01/2024 19:26

I'm sorry, how rude of me to imagine concepts like an "internal perception" are obvious when I appear to be talking to a group of robots who've never had a thought or feeling in their life and need to be handheld through what one is or where it might occur.

The faux-naivety persists and is off the scale.

"Faux niavity" claims from someone who's had men tell them they are women and believes it?

Gullible seems to fit.

Hepwo · 16/01/2024 19:40

PrawnLiberationFront · 16/01/2024 19:39

Do you usually think with your vagina?

Why do men with internal lady feelings need a fauxgina?

EasternStandard · 16/01/2024 19:40

PrawnLiberationFront · 16/01/2024 19:26

I'm sorry, how rude of me to imagine concepts like an "internal perception" are obvious when I appear to be talking to a group of robots who've never had a thought or feeling in their life and need to be handheld through what one is or where it might occur.

The faux-naivety persists and is off the scale.

You seem to be missing biological reality here

PrawnLiberationFront · 16/01/2024 19:41

fedupandstuck · 16/01/2024 19:28

Come on Prawn, you can debate better than this, surely?

People seem to be panicking at the idea that feelings exist in your head, but I'm supposed to believe in this mysterious unifying "ideology " that apparently all trans people subscribe to? Bit of a double standard.

Hepwo · 16/01/2024 19:41

fedupandstuck · 16/01/2024 19:28

Come on Prawn, you can debate better than this, surely?

I'm enjoying the education 😄

PrawnLiberationFront · 16/01/2024 19:43

EasternStandard · 16/01/2024 19:40

You seem to be missing biological reality here

The biological reality that people have thoughts?

soupycustard · 16/01/2024 19:43

This thread has given me a right laugh. Your responses to Prawn's 'internal feelings' are brilliant! I'm trying to think about when I last had an external feeling.