The pope says 'gender theory' causes divisions

[ArabellaScott]

'Peace requires respect for the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Attempts to introduce new rights, which are not always acceptable, lead to instances of ideological colonization that create divisions rather than fostering peace, as in the case of gender theory.'

https://twitter.com/Pontifex/status/1746147585331703936

I would say that the Pope is left wing, yes. Politically left of centre; economically left of centre and socially left of centre.

Nope. Feminist allies yes.

Wow, that's twice this week I've agreed with the pope.

Which is funny because every trans person I've ever met is more gender critical - in the sense of being critical of gender -

How so?

Are these transpeople who are GC dressing/acting like etc in the stereotypical gender roles for the sex they want to be?

Same! Just waiting for an alien invasion now.

Prawn, you know that makes zero sense.

When you believe that presentation, behaviours, beliefs are what make someone male or female, then you are not at all critical of gender. It's in fact necessary for there to be pretty well delimited gender roles, stereotypes and expectations in order for any claim of a trans identity to make sense. It's the metaphor about boxes again. Feminists want to smash the gender boxes, trans identities need the boxes in order to make sense.

Probably to about the same extent as most other people. Like most other people, they generally wear what they feel most comfortable in or what feels most appropriate for whatever activity they're doing.

Trans people don't typically believe that presentation is what makes you your gender though. Your entire movement is based on this massive strawman of what you've decided trans people must believe. You've set up this opposition to yourselves that just doesn't exist. Trans people have a range of beliefs about gender and their identities but I've never met a single one who thinks putting on a dress is what makes you a girl.

Note that presentation was only one of the possibilities that I mentioned. Perhaps, finally, Prawn might be the one to define what gender identity is, if it isn't presentation, behaviours, traits, beliefs and so on.

It is even more nonsensical to suggest that an ineffable feeling is what makes someone male or female.

Who will rid us of this turbulent Poster?

It’s not really what it’s based on. It’s based on single sex spaces and biological fact. Whether the person wears a skirt or has long hair or a beard isn’t the deciding factor

It’s sex based reality over gender division that is important

This is another thing I've never understood is your repeated insistence that "gender identity" is some difficult to define or difficult to understand concept.

Gender identity (in this context) is your own internal perception of what sex you are. For most people, this correlates with their sexed body. For a few people, it doesn't. It's not rocket science.

Not a big fan of women who disagree with you, are you Arabella

It's not rocket science.

No, it isn't, because it's purely ideological.

And that isn’t great for women so it’s a no thanks we don’t consent to males in female spaces

How is it "ideological" to say that most people's internal perception of themselves correlates with their sex, but for some people it doesn't? That's simply a true statement, regardless of what you think of trans people.

Sorry, I must have missed the meeting where we elected you as spokeswoman.

Nor you. Although my posts are countering yours as they misrepresent the GC position.

Let’s vote on it and see which way it goes. Sex or gender, society can decide

https://catholicherald.co.uk/scottish-catholics-fear-proposed-conversion-therapy-ban-will-lead-to-state-approved-suppression-of-religious-freedoms/

The Catholic church in Scotland is also opposing the Scotgov's new proposed 'conversion therapy' ban.

'“While the Church supports legislation which protects people from physical and verbal abuse a fundamental pillar of any free society is that the state recognises and respects the right of religious bodies and organisations to be free to teach the fulness of their beliefs and to support, through prayer, counsel and other pastoral means, their members who wish to live in accordance with those beliefs,” a Church representative said.'

I don't have an internal perception of gender identity. To contrast, I know what sex I am. I know my eyes are blue, but I don't have an "internal perception" of a blue-eyed identity. Because that's meaningless.

All perception is internal, btw. We don't have any ability to exist outside of our own bodies.

How people behave, think, look, dress, act, what they believe is entirely up to them and doesn't depend on their sex. Sometimes, especially for women, people's sex matters. Either because it's physically relevant, or because it is used to justify discrimination or other negative outcomes.

How is it "ideological" to say that most people's internal perception of themselves correlates with their sex, but for some people it doesn't? That's simply a true statement, regardless of what you think of trans people.

Probably because your theory is unproven, unfalsifiable pseudoscience. That's how.

Let’s vote on it and see which way it goes. Sex or gender, society can decide

Yes, let's do that. A referendum on whether MTF trans people can be considered women for the purposes of women only spaces, Up for it, @PrawnLiberationFront?

It's not science in any sense.

How can my internal perception "correlate with my sex" or "not correlate with my sex"? What would be the definition of "correlating"? It's pure ideology.