Girls "left at mercy" of grooming gangs in Rochdale, England because of failings by senior police and council bosses, damning report says

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No surprise to anyone on here, I would guess. Those poor girls.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67967919

There is no evidence Pakistani men do this more than other men.

Where has anyone said that they do?

The "multiculturalism gone wrong" and "lack of integration", "patriarchal attitudes" are all features of Great Replacement Theory/white supremacy.

We're not even allowed to acknowledge the patriarchy on a feminist board now? I've heard it all!

Let's ignore this tosh. If someone's insecurities about being seen as racist are getting in the way of them listening to rape victims, then we will have the conversation without them.

But the groomers in this case were full of racism and prejudice. That's the point. We are doing the girls a disservice by pretending uncomfortable things don't happen.

This.

Good idea @NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision

Maybe reread the quotes eresh lots of people gave said this is a problem with Pakistani men or one poster even said a specific group from Pakistan
You just look defensive when you say "where have people said that?" on a thread with multiple posts saying that

Sikh girls have also been targetted, and there has been some suggestion that girls from South Asian backgrounds are being abused in the family. Black girls tend to be targetted via gangs, although not exclusively. The overwhelming linking factor is that the perpetrators are male & the victims are female. Sex matters.

I should have said "Patriarchal attitudes of particular cultures"
Apparently it's fine to imply certain religions are problematic because of their "Patriarchal culture" (Islam) , but prejudiced to imply other religions are problematic because they are patriarchal (Christianity).
Its almost like some other factor is at play in making some religions fair game 🤔

Exactly!

Exactly.

That's what's made me hit my limit. It reminds me of the time I saw a white elderly male Labour policy advisor attack a woman from another ethnicity for saying men from her culture were misogynistic. He then made a performance out of publicly blocking her for making "negative generalisations" about men.

I also once saw a young white woman try to drum up a campaign to cancel a female Chinese author, because the woman had allegedly been "racist". The issue was that the woman had been videoed speaking about her experiences of misogyny in China.

There's a pattern here, and I'm tired of it. Let women talk about their specific experiences with men. Every country and culture has a problem with misogyny and it takes specific shapes according to the culture.

Let's ignore this tosh and get back to spreading some racist misinformation under the guise of being outspoken "call a spade a spade" feminists.

“I think your framing of people's perfectly reasonable, factual posts is utterly bizarre,”

Bizarre. But very much “on brand” for that particular poster - who consistently and repeatedly, across multiple threads, misrepresents what posters have said in order to make claims that individual posters, FWR, and mumsnet more generally, is racist and right wing. More recently they’ve started accusing posters / FWR/ mumsnet of being white nationalist.

Just because you're a believer in the "Great Replacement Theory" or any other delusionary thinking doesn't give you the right to dismiss the experiences of all those girls in Rochdale and everywhere else. These were terrible cases with complex aspects including race, poverty, girls and early sexuality, ability to consent, poverty as well as institutional failings.

Using these girls to push your own bigoted views about women on here is absolutely shameful.

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Yes, I've had enough of this nonsense now. Outrageous smears, yet.again, and outright untruths.

There's a pattern here, and I'm tired of it. Let women talk about their specific experiences with men. Every country and culture has a problem with misogyny and it takes specific shapes according to the culture.

Yes, exactly. The feminist board is the place to talk about misogyny whoever it comes from.

going to have to say that if I'm a white nationalist, we're going to need an entire new vocabulary of terms for the actual white racists.

I assume the plan is to carry on ignoring the racist misogynists from other ethnicities and pretending they don't exist.

How would me posting quotes of other posters, saying i think they are racist and pointing out they are consistent with conspiracy theory beliefs (replacement theory), make me a believer in replacement theory?

I agree with you! It's too complex to boil down to race at any level, which is why I find these threads so annoying.

Apparently it's fine to imply certain religions are problematic because of their "Patriarchal culture" (Islam) , but prejudiced to imply other religions are problematic because they are patriarchal (Christianity).

Pretty sure that's not a quote from me, because it certainly isn't what I think!

Aye, the police are dead scared of being called racist. Has this fear presented in other crimes? Police statistics?

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I don't think there is evidence the victims ethnicity was a key factor. The victims class, sex and general vulnerability were key factors.

Imo, there is a culture clash that sees unguarded young girls who are free to
be picked up by by men as belonging to a different ‘other’ set of values which are arguably ‘lower’ than their own.

These men’s own sisters, daughters, and cousins would not have been allowed out of their guardianship and control to be treated this way.

That’s why Nazir Afzar was pointing out how it is wrong to blame the victims rather than vice versa - assuming as he was this attitude on the part of these men.

Being female, young, vulnerable and working class must have added to these girls being abused in the way they were. But female, young, working class Asian girls do not seem to have been targeted in these cases. Perhaps they would have been if they were free to be out and about where these men were waiting on the lookout, but it is part of their culture that they were not.

So certain young, vulnerable, teenage girls having ‘white’ values around romance and boyfriends made them targets for these rapist gangs of men, who completely despised them but nevertheless groomed, drugged, and raped them.

which is why I find these threads so annoying.

I guess that's too bad.

How would you tell a white nationalists, if racist tropes about other ethnicities don't count? I feel you are moving the goal posts somewhat. Being even more racist than people already are on here would get you banned quite quickly. Far better to stick to general implications that just skirt outright racism.

Aye, the police are dead scared of being called racist.

It was more the local authority who were scared of being called racist. But in Rotherham, the police admitted it was a factor:

https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/18/rotherham-police-chief-admits-ignoring-child-abuse-race-fears-12080454/amp/

You've spent countless posts denying that race was an issue and attempting to smear women talking about the proven racial aspects of it. In doing so you demonstrate limited understanding of safeguarding and shamefully, are happy to abuse the experiences of these girls for your own very narrow agenda which is very evident from your outpourings on every thread that you derail.