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Girls "left at mercy" of grooming gangs in Rochdale, England because of failings by senior police and council bosses, damning report says

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DerekFaker · 15/01/2024 10:22

No surprise to anyone on here, I would guess. Those poor girls.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67967919

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Police left children at mercy of grooming gangs in Rochdale, report says

A review criticises a series of failed investigations by Greater Manchester Police in Rochdale.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67967919

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TooBigForMyBoots · 17/01/2024 20:09

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2024 19:12

I'm reminded of that academic, who said white women should shut up about sexual abuse because.....racism? If anyone can remember better.

The awful Alison Phipps springs to mind, but she isn't the only one.

Yet so little focus on the police who said White women should shut up about sexual abuse because...racism.

Talk about not learning lessons.Hmm

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 17/01/2024 20:52

pickledandpuzzled · 17/01/2024 19:34

Right, but Tim Westwood was a lone abuser. Different category of crime. It’s the gang element that’s relevant to this discussion.

Different category, definitely. But illustrative that men target different ethnicities and can be racist!

pickledandpuzzled · 17/01/2024 21:47

Doh. Of course. Sorry.

TempestTost · 17/01/2024 23:33

One way to think about this is turn the situation around.

Lets say you had some kind of organized crime group, a biker gang, white guys, pimping out girls, in a town

And lets say they are focusing mainly on vulnerable illegally present non-white girls, because they are personally racists and think those girls are naturally promiscuous, and maybe also because they think the general public won't care so much.

Lets say the police, or maybe some other authorities, aren't inclined to intervene because they think the political optics will mean they are criticized.

None of this necessarily means white men are more likely to abuse girls or be involved in organized prostitution, it's just what happens to be going on in some situations in some towns.

Would AdamRyan call that all racism? I very much suspect so.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2024 23:57

I had exactly the same thought as you @TempestTost

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2024 23:59

And her academic output was used in internal Oxfam training. Oxfam, which has a problem with its presumably white male staff abusing women and children overseas.

It must be convenient for them to frame rape victims as racist white women, regardless of the victims' race. A lot of people find it convenient to call rape victims bigots.

This.

DerekFaker · 18/01/2024 07:56

This wasn't so long ago. "Slept with".

(I suppose Sammy Woodhouse, victim of a grooming gang in Rotherham is racist too, huh?)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammy_Woodhouse

Girls "left at mercy" of grooming gangs in Rochdale, England because of failings by senior police and council bosses, damning report says
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IcakethereforeIam · 18/01/2024 10:10

I will say something that, perhaps, agrees with @AdamRyan in a way. I'm not intimately familiar with these cases, these 'grooming gangs' across the country. The images that stand out in my memory are the blocks of head shots of men of similar ethnicity above the headlines summarising their crimes. But these men seem to be, at least in Rochdale, just the tip if the iceberg. If all the men involved in this were prosecuted would the races of the criminals be less uniform? I haven't the foggiest. When race, as relates to the perpetrators, is mentioned it is invariably 'asian'. But the Police will have gone for the low hanging fruit, have their own prejudices and have, so far, let lots of the abusers get away with it.

BackToLurk · 18/01/2024 10:26

The Spiked article highlights the testimony of SIO 1 (re stopping taxi drivers) to illustrate how this report illustrates the 'horrors of political correctness'. If you only read the Spiked article you might possibly think that this is one of many examples in the report of being worried about looking racist. It is in fact the only one. It's pretty crap granted, but the report appears to suggest that the failure was down to lack of leadership & process. As a side note GB News criticises the same report for only having this one example of the authorities 'not wanting to appear racist', suggesting it's some sort of whitewash.

Another nugget in the report is that the authorities didn't look at whether offenders may have posed a risk to their own children, or children in their family. Essentially we have no idea who else these men were abusing.

The full review is here https://www.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/media/9148/operation-span-report-january-2024-v3.pdf

https://www.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/media/9148/operation-span-report-january-2024-v3.pdf

BackToLurk · 18/01/2024 10:37

IcakethereforeIam · 18/01/2024 10:10

I will say something that, perhaps, agrees with @AdamRyan in a way. I'm not intimately familiar with these cases, these 'grooming gangs' across the country. The images that stand out in my memory are the blocks of head shots of men of similar ethnicity above the headlines summarising their crimes. But these men seem to be, at least in Rochdale, just the tip if the iceberg. If all the men involved in this were prosecuted would the races of the criminals be less uniform? I haven't the foggiest. When race, as relates to the perpetrators, is mentioned it is invariably 'asian'. But the Police will have gone for the low hanging fruit, have their own prejudices and have, so far, let lots of the abusers get away with it.

As far as I can see the profile of the offenders matches, as you'd expect the demographic of the area and sector in which they operate. A number of these gangs in Northern towns operate within the night time economy, specifically taxi drivers & takeaways - Muslim men. largely of Pakistani heritage tend to work in these sectors so these are the gang members. As someone else alluded to, Epstein's contact book wasn't chocked full of the numbers of Pakistani Muslims. Unless you (a general rather than specific you) believe that white men aren't grooming and trafficking children, I'd be wondering where the newspaper photo galleries are of these men being charged & convicted.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/01/2024 10:50

There is other stuff in the 10 or so years that this has been looked at that hasn't made it into this report. As I've said a failure to act in part because of the race element is something that has actually been acknowledged in Rotherham, both by the police and the local authority. This Rochdale report is good but it has also faced hurdles to getting published.

ScrollingLeaves · 20/01/2024 23:11

TooBigForMyBoots · 20/01/2024 01:55

Manchester Police perform corrective sexual assault on woman who reported CSA and complained her report wasn't taken seriously.

We have a serious problem with a misogynist police service who don't give a shit about women and children.

https://news.sky.com/story/i-was-forced-to-strip-naked-in-police-cell-and-threatened-to-drop-complaints-against-officers-says-mother-13050816

Monstrous that they, not any independent body, ‘investigate’ any complaints against themselves, and that they then go after the complainant.

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