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Girls "left at mercy" of grooming gangs in Rochdale, England because of failings by senior police and council bosses, damning report says

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DerekFaker · 15/01/2024 10:22

No surprise to anyone on here, I would guess. Those poor girls.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67967919

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Police left children at mercy of grooming gangs in Rochdale, report says

A review criticises a series of failed investigations by Greater Manchester Police in Rochdale.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67967919

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2024 18:26

Careful Pots or you'll have the cultural relativists on your back.

TooBigForMyBoots · 17/01/2024 18:27

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2024 17:41

Aye, the police are dead scared of being called racist.

It was more the local authority who were scared of being called racist. But in Rotherham, the police admitted it was a factor:

https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/18/rotherham-police-chief-admits-ignoring-child-abuse-race-fears-12080454/amp/

People who went to the police, who let's face it were the only ones who could do anything, weretold by the police that they couldn't do anything because whatever and because "racism".

It was bollocks. The police didn't go after the rapists, paedophiles and traffickers because it suited them.

ResisterRex · 17/01/2024 18:27

This attempted mass smear and derail is just embarrassing now.

Lalgarh · 17/01/2024 18:28

As I mentioned, there is an ama thread by a survivor of a grooming gang who gives quite intimate info on how these networks operate. They are bound up with paying back drug debts via pimping. I won't link here. (givehersome respite from the tubthumpers who'll tell her she was mistaken and unconsciously biased)but here is a quote

"My family have no knowledge at all, everything is a secret with me and my family, I don’t share anything with them because they’re religious so my family situation is a bit different in the sense that I won’t ask for their help if I need it. I resented my family for childhood abuse, I don’t have love for them so they made no difference to me in escaping from abusers, I became quite indifferent so the amount of affection they were giving me made no difference, I didn’t miss them either and the fact I didn’t share anything and had such a strained bond meant they wouldn’t have been able to stand in the way.

" Ours was not a conventional grooming, he was once a victim so he knew what to do to keep it more of a secret. "..

"The gang was quite dispersed, they had their favourites and it was like they chose who they wanted to pimp out and who they didn’t. Ours was unconventional, we was split and me and my ex were Asian and the other victims were white and their other abusers (Asian) were similar ages to us and we all knew each other, I know the boys first though

. Lots of using girls to pay off their drug debts, some were usual pimps, some were there just to pay debts and then never to be seen, others were there because they were involved from the beginning and were interested in sexually abusing girls and it was quickly obvious who was who. My friends loved me and the others girls understood I didn’t want to be involved like the others but three of other victims hated me, referring to me as “Mrs x” (the ex’s name). There were white people also involved, they were his friends, but theirs was more one to one abuse between themselves and who they made to be “escorts”, a couple older white women were there and if I didn’t have the support of my at the time friend’s families I think I would have became an abuser because in my mind I was constantly comparing myself to my friends and the Asian perpetrators and they fucked so badly with my head..."

This pattern of behaviour is the absolute flip side of honour violence. I know this because I see it. You are policed as a brown female. The only males you socialise with are from your own kinship group. In this woman's case that is how Hera user has gained access to her.
You'd think someone like Adam Ryan would if he or she were genuinely concerned about fighting racism and protecting victims, be pushing for more investigation into the clearly hidden level of exploitation among these women from those communities. But that risks angry shouty beardy guys turning up and calling him racist.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2024 18:31

People who went to the police, who let's face it were the only ones who could do anything, weretold by the police that they couldn't do anything because whatever and because "racism".

It was bollocks. The police didn't go after the rapists, paedophiles and traffickers because it suited them.

What is your point? People denied that there was any race angle at all for the police, nothing was further from the truth, there was no evidence etc. I evidenced that in Rotherham at least, the police chief said there was. I don't exactly consider him the most reliable witness.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 17/01/2024 18:33

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2024 18:26

Careful Pots or you'll have the cultural relativists on your back.

I'm sure they will come for me. White cultural relativists managed to stifle me at the time, but then they also had me convinced it was my social duty to passively accept it when boys said white girls were sluts. Hmm They can go to hell now.

There is no class of abusive misogynist who deserves to be excused.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2024 18:35

There is no class of abusive misogynist who deserves to be excused.

The stone cold truth. And no fucking sacred castes, whether it's "trans" or anything around race or culture.

TooBigForMyBoots · 17/01/2024 18:35

My point is the ethnicity of the perpetrators was irrelevant. The only thing that mattered was the police response.

And the police response in Oldham, Rotherham etc is exactly the same as the police response in areas where the traffickers and rapists are white.Angry

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2024 18:38

You might think you're making a point, but that wasn't anything to do with my point. Maybe don't misrepresent the situation? You have your ideas about what happened, but you cannot say that there isn't evidence that fear of being perceived as racist was an issue, because there is.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 17/01/2024 18:42

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2024 18:38

You might think you're making a point, but that wasn't anything to do with my point. Maybe don't misrepresent the situation? You have your ideas about what happened, but you cannot say that there isn't evidence that fear of being perceived as racist was an issue, because there is.

People are doing it on this thread right now.

Anything you say that seeks to acknowledge that the rapists were racist, gets you called racist.

It's just like being told you're transphobic for saying men might exploit the opportunity to use hitherto single-sex women's homelessness hostels.

Lalgarh · 17/01/2024 18:45

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 17/01/2024 18:42

People are doing it on this thread right now.

Anything you say that seeks to acknowledge that the rapists were racist, gets you called racist.

It's just like being told you're transphobic for saying men might exploit the opportunity to use hitherto single-sex women's homelessness hostels.

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It is a moot point. Would Adam Ryan feel.more comfortable if more African or Carribbean women were being groomed by these gangs? At least it wouldn't look so blatant that they were being so selective.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 17/01/2024 18:51

There is certainly plenty of evidence of white men historically raping african women. Raping women in every single country that had European countries invading, in fact. Presumably we're allowed to admit that. It's just the brown men who must be sanctified.

TooBigForMyBoots · 17/01/2024 18:53

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2024 18:38

You might think you're making a point, but that wasn't anything to do with my point. Maybe don't misrepresent the situation? You have your ideas about what happened, but you cannot say that there isn't evidence that fear of being perceived as racist was an issue, because there is.

It's the latest excuse. In the past it was, but they were priests. But they were celebrities. But they were politicians.

Now it's, but they were brown.

It's all bollocks. This happened and continues to happen all over the country because the victims are female, poor and vulnerable and the cops don't give a shit about them.

Police silence and collusion is bought with money and information. Fear of racismHmm is a way of muddying the water.

pickledandpuzzled · 17/01/2024 18:55

Yes black girls were very vulnerable in Bristol, if I remember correctly, but the abuse ring there were black.

Abuse rings exist. They have particular targets and constituents. That needs to be up for discussion.

Shouting racist or transphobe or nazi isn’t the best of debating techniques.

pickledandpuzzled · 17/01/2024 18:57

Oh, yes. Pedophile priests. Another organised ring.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 17/01/2024 19:00

pickledandpuzzled · 17/01/2024 18:55

Yes black girls were very vulnerable in Bristol, if I remember correctly, but the abuse ring there were black.

Abuse rings exist. They have particular targets and constituents. That needs to be up for discussion.

Shouting racist or transphobe or nazi isn’t the best of debating techniques.

Tim Westwood seems to have exclusively targetted young black women as well.

IcakethereforeIam · 17/01/2024 19:01

I don't believe it's racism to say that, in this instance, the men responsible for csa were of a particular ethnicity. That's like saying it's misandry. It is a simple statement of fact.

Saying that this makes all men of that ethnicity abusers would be racist. Just as saying all men are rapists would be misandry. That's not what people on this board are saying though.

I'm reminded of that academic, who said white women should shut up about sexual abuse because.....racism? If anyone can remember better.

For the record NAMALT and NAPMALT.

DewHopper · 17/01/2024 19:11

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2024 17:18

I think your framing of people's perfectly reasonable, factual posts is utterly bizarre, @AdamRyan. You're very much demonstrating why these abused children were ignored for so long. Knee jerk accusations of racism just for discussing the established facts of these cases.

This 100%.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2024 19:12

I'm reminded of that academic, who said white women should shut up about sexual abuse because.....racism? If anyone can remember better.

The awful Alison Phipps springs to mind, but she isn't the only one.

DerekFaker · 17/01/2024 19:12

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2024 18:20

Is it any wonder people look to figures on the far right, who undoubtedly exploit this, when this sort of mealy mouthed shit is what they get from "progressive" people?

Exactly. Tommy Robinson capitalises on this stuff because they make it so easy for him.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2024 19:13

This happened and continues to happen all over the country because the victims are female, poor and vulnerable and the cops don't give a shit about them.

I fully agree with you on that.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 17/01/2024 19:19

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2024 19:12

I'm reminded of that academic, who said white women should shut up about sexual abuse because.....racism? If anyone can remember better.

The awful Alison Phipps springs to mind, but she isn't the only one.

And her academic output was used in internal Oxfam training. Oxfam, which has a problem with its presumably white male staff abusing women and children overseas.

It must be convenient for them to frame rape victims as racist white women, regardless of the victims' race. A lot of people find it convenient to call rape victims bigots.

DewHopper · 17/01/2024 19:24

Adam is a prime example of why so many people are appalled by the far left and their mealy mouthed bullshit. The pompous, superior tone and the insults designed to shut women up are so familiar. And they claim to be 'progressive'.

JanesLittleGirl · 17/01/2024 19:29

A number of posts on this thread have reminded me of the adage about mud wrestling with a pig. You both get dirty but the pig enjoys it.

pickledandpuzzled · 17/01/2024 19:34

Right, but Tim Westwood was a lone abuser. Different category of crime. It’s the gang element that’s relevant to this discussion.