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Girls "left at mercy" of grooming gangs in Rochdale, England because of failings by senior police and council bosses, damning report says

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DerekFaker · 15/01/2024 10:22

No surprise to anyone on here, I would guess. Those poor girls.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67967919

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Police left children at mercy of grooming gangs in Rochdale, report says

A review criticises a series of failed investigations by Greater Manchester Police in Rochdale.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67967919

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converseandjeans · 16/01/2024 20:29

Many or most will be U.K. nationals. But I often think about the fact that most were likely to have wives and children at home whilst they were out all night gang raping children.

This always crosses my mind. What would their wives think 🤷🏻‍♀️

I did see a TikTok clip of an Asian man making fun of white men being unable to control their women thus leaving them fair game for Asian men to pick them up.

It's sad to hear about girls still being abused. It seems strange how some towns are having more issues than others.

They need a proper marketing campaign aimed at teen girls warming them of dangers. Like the old 'Just Say No' or the AIDS campaign back in the 80s. More police going into schools to talk to girls.

DewHopper · 16/01/2024 20:32

They need a proper marketing campaign aimed at teen girls warming them of dangers. Like the old 'Just Say No' or the AIDS campaign back in the 80s. More police going into schools to talk to girls

Or how about they just round up and arrest the disgusting men who are raping children? There are 96 of them free in Rochdale right now.

mommatoone · 16/01/2024 20:45

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mommatoone · 16/01/2024 20:48

Why was my post deleted? Because it speaks the truth? - i rest my case🤷‍♀️

ScrollingLeaves · 16/01/2024 20:48

DerekFaker · 16/01/2024 20:18

It happened in Oxford too.

This is a 2020 BBC report on the outcome of the hideous grooming cases that had been unearthed in Oxford a decade or so earlier.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-51467518

Girls "left at mercy" of grooming gangs in Rochdale, England because of failings by senior police and council bosses, damning report says
converseandjeans · 16/01/2024 21:16

@DewHopper

Or how about they just round up and arrest the disgusting men who are raping children? There are 96 of them free in Rochdale right now.

Absolutely yes to that too obviously 👍🏻

Maybe if the police & social services are inept then the perpetrators could be named & shamed in the local press with a warning attached ‼️

Grandmasswag · 16/01/2024 22:37

AdamRyan · 16/01/2024 19:29

Could have guessed how this thread would end up from page 1 🙄

There is no evidence that race was a factor. What is a factor is structural misogyny, a culture of disbelieving victims and not supporting looked after children.

Louis Theroux recently interviewed Samantha Morton who grew up in care and they discuss a lot of factors relevant to this.

It completely baffles me how the police are called sexist and racist, apart from in this case when they are apparently scared of being called racist.

Men abuse vulnerable females, these girls were very vulnerable. It seems strange to md that people on a board all about the way women are abused are so happy to put forward the theory this particular case of abuse was racially motivated, as opposed to power motivated (as most sexual assault cases are).

Race was absolutely a factor in the crimes. The girls were targeted because they were white. Many have reported the abuse they received from the men was racially motivated. What is BS is that race was a factor in the failure to investigate the gangs. It’s basically the least bad option for the police to say ‘ oh we didn’t investigate cos we were scared’ rather than the truth which is they didn’t investigate because of a complete failure to recognise grooming, deeply ingrained misogyny and a failure to do their job. If the police are so scared of appearing racist why don’t they stop stop and search immediately? Why are Asian men over represented in the CJS?

Seymour5 · 16/01/2024 22:56

AdamRyan · 16/01/2024 19:43

Yeah whatever
"Feminists" saying openly racist things and blaming particular ethnicities for abuse of women when it suits their narrative, without evidence for their biased viewpoints. Then wondering why other feminists think GC spaces have become allied to right wing activists, and white supremacists. This thread is an absolute case in point.

Let's not talk about the structural misogyny and victim blaming. Or the chronic under funding of social services under the Conservatives. Or the longstanding economic policies that means the wealth is all in the south east and the North is skint. The over stretched, under funded police forces who know they can't do enough about sex offenders. The institutional misogyny of the police and the fact our legal system is stacked against female victims.

No, none of that is the problem. The problem is Muslim men and immigration. Angry

Were social services in Rotherham underfunded in 1997? Professor Jay’s report covers the years 1997-2013. Cons were only in power from 2010. And Rotherham councillors were nearly all Labour.

TempestTost · 16/01/2024 22:57

DewHopper · 16/01/2024 20:32

They need a proper marketing campaign aimed at teen girls warming them of dangers. Like the old 'Just Say No' or the AIDS campaign back in the 80s. More police going into schools to talk to girls

Or how about they just round up and arrest the disgusting men who are raping children? There are 96 of them free in Rochdale right now.

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You can never get rid of all the predators. They exist everywhere and always have.

These men work by enticing the girls, who initially see them offering something that seems attractive. If you can make sure the girls know what their long game is you can potentially prevent a lot of them falling prey.

Besides, why wouldn't you teach girls - or any other young person - to recognize people who want to manipulate and abuse them?

pronounsbundlebundle · 16/01/2024 23:04

Grandmasswag · 16/01/2024 22:37

Race was absolutely a factor in the crimes. The girls were targeted because they were white. Many have reported the abuse they received from the men was racially motivated. What is BS is that race was a factor in the failure to investigate the gangs. It’s basically the least bad option for the police to say ‘ oh we didn’t investigate cos we were scared’ rather than the truth which is they didn’t investigate because of a complete failure to recognise grooming, deeply ingrained misogyny and a failure to do their job. If the police are so scared of appearing racist why don’t they stop stop and search immediately? Why are Asian men over represented in the CJS?

Good post. If we're actually going to make meaningful efforts to address child abuse we do need to be able to deal with nuance and the idea that things can be true at the same time.

Was race the only reason this was swept under the carpet, clearly no, was it one factor (among others) for why some of those responsible did not do their jobs and let those girls be abused, yes as far as I can tell. (and I'd agree, probably not in terms of the police)

converseandjeans · 17/01/2024 07:07

@TempestTost

Thanks that's exactly what I meant. I wasn't victim blaming.

IcakethereforeIam · 17/01/2024 10:07

Jean Hatchet in the Critic

https://thecritic.co.uk/rochdale-is-a-tragedy-that-could-happen-again/

I don't think she wrote the headline because, it seems, it hasn't stopped happening.

Rochdale is a tragedy that could happen again – The Critic Magazine

https://thecritic.co.uk/rochdale-is-a-tragedy-that-could-happen-again

LoobiJee · 17/01/2024 10:29

“I don't think she wrote the headline because, it seems, it hasn't stopped happening.”

There’s this tucked away in the regional news section of the BBC. Alleged PC attack on 6yo girl.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67996873

PC Dean Dempster

Greater Manchester Police constable in court over alleged attack on girl, 6

Greater Manchester Police officer Dean Dempster is accused of sexually touching a child while on duty.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67996873

LoobiJee · 17/01/2024 10:36

From that article Jean Hatchet article.

She stressed that it was in 2004 that children began to provide information and says,
Everything being done now should have been done then. It’s not like you’re waiting for a new bit of tech to make it possible, all it would have taken is the right people actually giving a damn.

2004

Twenty years ago.

Two decades.

CrowBlack · 17/01/2024 10:40

Ok is it's been said before but tv programmes back in the 1990 s / 2000s showed what was going on

AdamRyan · 17/01/2024 14:59

Well obviously yes. 1997 was the tail end of the Major government. Everything was broken.

My problem is, this is a complex issue spanning class, misogyny, underfunding, patriarchal values etc etc. It's been researched a lot by both sides and so far there is no convincing data that the ethnicity and heritage of the offenders caused these crimes.

Yet a lot of people seem happy to simplistically buy into it, and parrot it back
"The police were scared of racism"
"If I said what I really thought about the way white girls were sacrificed en masse on the alter of the Left’s obsession with multiculturalism while the police & officials deliberately turned a blind eye in order to protect ‘community cohesion’, I would be banned from MN for life, so 🤐."
Quoted and agreed with a lot
"We need to say it how it is. These are white, vulnerable children being targeted by southern Asian males" - "Everyone knows this in the NW don't they? It's so fucking commonplace"
"There are many teenaged boys, in my experience as a foster carer, all Pakistani or Bangladeshi, who were being trained up as pimps. They could pose as “boyfriends “ who inducted the girls through rape and later threats to families and carers, and the girls were passed on to the older men once their will had been broken"
"And how many of these rapists have been given rights in the basis of their ‘family life’ in the U.K. and allowed to stay with wife and kids?"
"They are not just Pakistani but from the Mirpur/ Azad Kashmir region. Most of them are related. It's a learned pattern of behaviours. The account from the woman on another thread mentioned her groomer also being abused by other relatives. It's all bound up with honour culture which is all about policing your females (getting a Talking To if you are seen out talking to Other Boys) because you don't want to end up like those girls. Because what are those girls ever good for except getting an income from?"
"Easier to dismiss the white girls than the asian grooming gangs"
"I wonder how many ribbons and parades, days of training and campaigns the police, and special ‘staff’ all these police officers, children's homes, schools and social services will have to ‘reeducate’ them to do their bloody jobs?"
"it's about close knit Pakistani Muslim communities...they were business owners, restaurant owners, self employed taxi drivers, and their male relatives. They were powerful in their community."

This is so racist.

Meanwhile GC posters are hurt by other feminists observing that there is lots of overlap in GC spaces with right wing, white supremacist rhetoric. Well there it is, in glorious technicolor. Just disgusting.

IcakethereforeIam · 17/01/2024 15:06

Are these the the type of accusations the Police were apparently worried about?

Grandmasswag · 17/01/2024 15:10

AdamRyan I understand the sensitivity and that commentary can slip into racism but no one making sweeping generalisation or suggesting that all Asian men are groomers or anything, which I think is what you’re trying to take out of what you’ve read.

I think it’s more helpful to think of the victims race (in this case white) being a key factor. Many were raped by men of all different nationalities/ ethnicities but to deny that the attacks on these girls wasn’t racially motivated in many cases is just denying fact, and the victim’s testimonies to boot. If it’s not where then are the Asian victims? Given that it’s a very multicultural city. The whole point was that these men wouldn’t/ couldn’t treat women from their own communities this way. They viewed white girls as dirty slags who were asking for it. Why don’t you actually listen to the victims? The file on 4 interviews are a good start.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2024 15:15

"it's about close knit Pakistani Muslim communities...they were business owners, restaurant owners, self employed taxi drivers, and their male relatives. They were powerful in their community."

Why have you quoted me? This is the reality of what happened in Rochdale. Say what is "racist" about my merely pointing it out, or withdraw your unfounded accusation.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2024 15:20

but to deny that the attacks on these girls wasn’t racially motivated in many cases is just denying fact, and the victim’s testimonies to boot.

Exactly.

PurpleBrain · 17/01/2024 15:33

I think pre internet days and they days when cameras followed our every move and forensics weren't as good as they are now , it was easy to get away with stuff like this . Now it's all caught up with them . All lot of the Police were arrogant and lazy back then and would just shove things under the carpet rather than open a can of worms plus it just made their lives easy .

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 17/01/2024 15:36

Look, I really don't have time for any of this right now, but I am willing to stand on a soap box and shout one thing:

Rapists and abusers are horrible!

I assumed we all knew that. So why do people bring out the smelling salts at the suggestion that rapists might also be racist? Yes, they are. White ones fetishise and abuse women from other races. So do all the others.

If you come from such a monocultural area that you've never heard men (particularly teenage boys) of all ethnicities sounding off about what they think of women from other ethnicities, that's your knowledge gap. Don't make it our problem.

I don't know why people feel this need to insist that sexually abusive men must be paragons of fairness and justice along all the other possible axes of oppression. I guess it's misogyny; if you don't truly see women as people, you'll remain convinced that a man can be a serial rapist and a kind, non-discriminatory pillar of the community. Obviously he might still respect everyone equally regardless of colour, creed, culture, nationality or disability!

Grandmasswag · 17/01/2024 15:45

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision good point.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2024 15:57

Just to note that @AdamRyan has copied their ridiculous post slandering most of us as racist onto a context free thread as evidence that GC women are white supremacists.

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