Girls "left at mercy" of grooming gangs in Rochdale, England because of failings by senior police and council bosses, damning report says

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No surprise to anyone on here, I would guess. Those poor girls.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67967919

This article gives an overview where Asian men are more implicated in these. grooming gang crimes (though not in more general child sexual abuse).

www.noahsnewsletter.com/p/the-demographics-of-grooming-gangs?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Interestingly, a quick google of the authors name suggests he has rather interesting views on race, and lost his fellowship at Cambridge, and someone accused him of selectively using data to promote racism. I’ll be honest and say that I haven’t looked into it much further than that so could all be nothing, but food for thought nonetheless.

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@TooBigForMyBoots My apologies- this was meant for @IdealisticCynic .

I hope those who were involved in the failings had their previous workload thoroughly examined, it would be interesting whether to know they were failing all round or just in this specific case. I think that may imply some of the reasons for it.

It’s society’s fault. Very easy to blame the police and social
services ….. in the last seven days on MN

9 threads basically saying how very dare schools follow up on poor attendance. Parents know best.
2 threads on how dare schools report child safeguarding issues. Parents know best.
3 threads on home schooling. How to avoid a visit & ensuring parents know that the law can be to provide a written report and can refuse any visits because parents know best

Thread on a movie where an infant brain is implanted in a women’s body (who had committed suicide to get away from these abusers) lauded as a great film because she “finds her awaken sexuality” and leaves her abusers by way of prostitution. Apparently it’s not utterly fucking disgusting, it’s empowering

2 threads about parents “advised to go nuclear” because a member of staff may or may not have pushed two girls apart or stopped a child from leaving the class. How the fuck do you expect SS to stop a 15 year old from leaving a children’s home without restraint and potentially locking them in.

But yes all the police and social
services fault.

How can it be casual racism ? The men were Asian- it's a Fact .

Yes that was the point i was making!

The home office wrote a report on this a few years ago: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5fd87e348fa8f54d5733f532/Group-based_CSE_Paper.pdf#page44

There is a page on ethnicity which makes for interesting reading, although doesn’t come to a fast and hard conclusion.

On a slight different topic, I was surprised to read how many offenders were under 30. Guess age wasn’t something I had given as much consideration to.

Sajid Javid commissioned a report which was meant to provide data. This article is worth reading in full to understand how he was reportedly stonewalled:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9070905/DAN-HODGES-reveals-inside-story-cover-abuse-young-girls.html

If I said what I really thought about the way white girls were sacrificed en masse on the alter of the Left’s obsession with multiculturalism while the police & officials deliberately turned a blind eye in order to protect ‘community cohesion’, I would be banned from MN for life, so 🤐.

The fact of the men's race affecting the police actions - or lack thereof - has become embedded in the story. This needs to be faced head on.

Either the race aspect needs to be debunked, or it needs to be addressed. Clearly and openly. Transparency is crucial.

Thanks. Largely that says the data is lacking or poor quality.

Interesting that you blame "the left" and multiculturalism, not systemic misogyny and corruption?

You a feminist or a RW culture warrior?

The fact of the men's race affecting the police actions - or lack thereof - has become embedded in the story. This needs to be faced head on.

Either the race aspect needs to be debunked, or it needs to be addressed. Clearly and openly. Transparency is crucial.

I think the overall rate of conviction for men’s violence against women, and the lack of support female victims get goes some way to debunk the suggestion. Whether that be domestic violence, sexual assault, child grooming, rape.

If there was a high level of white offenders being convicted while crimes committed by black and Asian men were being ignored that would certainly evidence the theory.

But women are being failed all over the shop, and the common denominator is men (of every ethnicity) getting away with far, far too much, while even when there is acknowledgement of the crimes the women and children get blamed.

You only have to look into how many police have been convicted of crimes against women to see misogyny is rife in the police force, it doesn’t turn on or off when they see the race of the person they’re investigating.

Did anybody watch a show on Channel 4 a few years ago where undercover cops posed as paedophiles? Apparently hundreds and thousands of men in the UK are considered to be a risk to children, however the resources were stretched so thin they were forced to only go after the few they knew they could nail. Highly uncomfortable viewing and really stayed with me for awhile.

It still goes on now, they've only skimmed the top of the cream.

Drive through Bolton, Oldham, Rochdale and you see young girls getting into cars. Gangs of men having around street corners with young girls

Myself and my partner were driving through our very own Northwest town and seen young teens having around with grown men. We pulled up, called the police and waited. They were soon dispersed but I'm sure it'll happen again

We need to say it how it is. These are white, vulnerable children being targeted by southern Asian males. I followed a case in Rochdale and a grooming gang were sentenced, yet on release were welcomed back into the community like nothing happened. It's wrong, it's vile and the police and government need to come down heavily on these beasts

I’ve read that DM article and it does acknowledge that the data wasn’t there. The Home Office can’t just invent data.

If Said Javid had stayed at the Home Office, perhaps something could have been done about putting resources into getting the data. But that’s one of the problems with the constant stream of different ministers and the general UK government chaos of the past few years - no stability, leadership, follow up.

With respect, the article does a bit more than acknowledge the data wasn't there or that it can't be made up. It says it was not looked for or recorded.

"The sole definitive conclusion, cast amid a jumble of Civil Service sophistry, was that 'research has found that group-based CSE [child sexual exploitation] offenders are most commonly white'

The study had actually found no such thing. As Priti Patel pointedly acknowledged in her foreword: 'Some studies have indicated an over-representation of Asian and black offenders.
'However, it is difficult to draw conclusions about the ethnicity of offenders as existing research is limited and data collection is poor. This is disappointing because community and cultural factors are clearly relevant to understanding and tackling offending.'
...

One other key area – the one Ms Patel was careful to highlight in her foreword – was the lack of hard data on the ethnicity of offenders. It was an issue Home Office aides kept using as a rationale for not drawing a clearer link to the predominance of Asian offenders found in countless high-profile grooming cases. But as one official explained: 'They were right, there wasn't any hard data. But that was because people didn't want to record it or look for it because they knew exactly what they would find.'"

Like I say, worth reading in full

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9070905/DAN-HODGES-reveals-inside-story-cover-abuse-young-girls.html

Police officers have been collaborating with these gangs, I'm sure of it

There was an article about one particular victim whose abuse was in the Oldham report. The poor girl came to a police station to report sexual assault, and was told by the officer at the desk to go away, stop wasting police time, and to accept a lift home from some male members of the public who just happened to be at the station on unrelated matters.

Those helpful strangers she was told to go with, raped her. What kind of police officer tells a 12 year old girl to get into a stranger's car?

I think you were trying to address me. But I was making a specific point about how people are fixated on Asian grooming gangs to the detriment of investigating white men who are doing the same things - sometimes within the same gangs.

Fixating on race is harming all girls. The problem is misogyny.

You're not the only one.

Ok, Rethinking, thank you for pointing out that he is not known for being reliable. I had wondered as I hadn’t heard of him, but had thought that article appeared fairly even handed.

The root of the problem is very usually extreme misogyny in a male family member.

Even where there isn't and the family are loving, kind, sick with worry and reporting to the police, If the police are collecting evidence, corrupt or misogynist your kid is fucked.

That is so appalling. And the council dished out taxi licences to men convicted of sex crimes, WTAF? It only says one thing, doesn't it?

Yes. We live in a Rape Culture where women and girls are nothing but tools for men.