Girls "left at mercy" of grooming gangs in Rochdale, England because of failings by senior police and council bosses, damning report says

[DerekFaker]

No surprise to anyone on here, I would guess. Those poor girls.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67967919

I wonder why it’s so prevalent in North West England?

@Naptrappedmummy well i think the attitudes shown to working class people and people who live on social housing estates creates a hostile environment where this kind of thing goes on unabated because working class girls from estates are seen as lesser no???!!! 🤔

Thank you.

Is it though? Rotherham, the last time I looked, wasn't in North West England.

What is a more interesting question is why isn't it the leafy suburbs? Perhaps it's because the wealthy and powerful are above such things. Or perhaps there's another explanation...

Underlying all of this is assumptions. It's white working class girls who are the victims, and prowling gangs of Asian men the perpetrators. That feeds a very convenient agenda, and displaces attention from elsewhere.

Sadly I think this is far more prevalent than people think, and taking place in the corridors of the powerful and the wealthy far more than people credit. It's easy to see the blame lies with Asian men - most of whom are decent people who would not dream of abusing a child. But funny how, as I said earlier, there was no evidence of such behaviours in the corridors of Parliament. Or Buckingham Palace, apparently.

Isn't the real question not one of ethnicity or geography, but of power? As it always is.

Isn't the real question not one of ethnicity or geography, but of power?

Surely it's location, situation and opportunity to offend. Opportunity includes the opportunity to abuse the power afforded to offenders, which will be boosted by location and situation eg position in community, organisation, online group and so on. And some of those will include opportunities to co-offend with others.

Thats exactly why.
Because the police risked the racist label and libel...so it continued and the poor girls suffered endlessly. Easier to dismiss the white girls than the asian grooming gangs

Yes...and especially if theyre in care too ....sadly

I’m sure it’s happening everywhere but In these large gang grooming cases it’s undoubtedly community make up (race of perps/victims) plus deprivation, plus police culture. I expect it’s worse now as there are so many less resources to go around. I think Maggie Olive said as much. The department that is meant to deal with modern slavery is useless in dealing with British nationals, despite them being a large % of victims. It’s set up to deal with those trafficked from abroad. Whole culture country wide is not set up to view these girls as victims.

Its not just about the gangs its about the social workers, the police, the carers.

They were not 'Asian groomers' and they failed them. Why were they neglected and failed by the people who were supposed to look after them?

I think saying that they were scared of being called racist is a cop-out. Statistically black and Asian men are more likely to be arrested, even for crimes they haven't committed. So why would there be hesitation over crimes that have a clear pattern of evidence? It doesn't make sense.

I wonder how many ribbons and parades, days of training and campaigns the police, and special ‘staff’ all these police officers, children's homes, schools and social services will have to ‘reeducate’ them to do their bloody jobs?

I think saying that they were scared of being called racist is a cop-out. Statistically black and Asian men are more likely to be arrested, even for crimes they haven't committed.

I think that's a bit simplistic. You are correct, but this has nothing to do with black people, it's about close knit Pakistani Muslim communities, and a lot of these men were not normally in trouble with the police, they were business owners, restaurant owners, self employed taxi drivers, and their male relatives. They were powerful in their community.

People might not want to acknowledge it but multiple reports have found that these crimes were ignored and brushed under the carpet was in part due to the racial dynamics involved. It's not the only reason, but it is a reason.

And yes, there were failings by every agency which should have had a duty of care for these girls.

This but there are still people who will argue that race was not a factor.

This wasn't exactly unknown. DH campaigned against it around 2006 in Manchester but he was seen as "racist". Disgraceful.

Could have guessed how this thread would end up from page 1 🙄

There is no evidence that race was a factor. What is a factor is structural misogyny, a culture of disbelieving victims and not supporting looked after children.

Louis Theroux recently interviewed Samantha Morton who grew up in care and they discuss a lot of factors relevant to this.

It completely baffles me how the police are called sexist and racist, apart from in this case when they are apparently scared of being called racist.

Men abuse vulnerable females, these girls were very vulnerable. It seems strange to md that people on a board all about the way women are abused are so happy to put forward the theory this particular case of abuse was racially motivated, as opposed to power motivated (as most sexual assault cases are).

Anyway I'm hiding the thread now because I'm not in the mood for the not so subtle "replacement theory" bollocks tonight

Yes, you had probably better Adam because your incorrect statements will be challenged and found wanting.

Hands over ears time for Adam I guess. And they are wrong on this.

Yeah whatever
"Feminists" saying openly racist things and blaming particular ethnicities for abuse of women when it suits their narrative, without evidence for their biased viewpoints. Then wondering why other feminists think GC spaces have become allied to right wing activists, and white supremacists. This thread is an absolute case in point.

Let's not talk about the structural misogyny and victim blaming. Or the chronic under funding of social services under the Conservatives. Or the longstanding economic policies that means the wealth is all in the south east and the North is skint. The over stretched, under funded police forces who know they can't do enough about sex offenders. The institutional misogyny of the police and the fact our legal system is stacked against female victims.

No, none of that is the problem. The problem is Muslim men and immigration.

This.

Plus I find the notion that "under funding" somehow means rapists gonna rape, highly questionable. They could just not do that.

And that's without the hugely inconvenient fact that lots of this began in the 90s and has carried on until now. So, through a whole raft of funding situations including when the public sector had more money than it knew what to do with.

It happened in Oxford too.

And that's without the hugely inconvenient fact that lots of this began in the 90s and has carried on until now. So, through a whole raft of funding situations including when the public sector had more money than it knew what to do with.

This, exactly.

Sorry meant to quote @ResisterRex

AdamRyan are* *you posting your bullshit takes in the hopea that people are only going to read your posts??? I can't understand why you're openly lying right here on the thread.

"Feminists" saying openly racist things and blaming particular ethnicities for abuse of women when it suits their narrative, without evidence for their biased viewpoints. Then wondering why other feminists think GC spaces have become allied to right wing activists, and white supremacists. This thread is an absolute case in point

What utter nonsense here Adam. Laughable in fact.