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Girls "left at mercy" of grooming gangs in Rochdale, England because of failings by senior police and council bosses, damning report says

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DerekFaker · 15/01/2024 10:22

No surprise to anyone on here, I would guess. Those poor girls.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67967919

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Police left children at mercy of grooming gangs in Rochdale, report says

A review criticises a series of failed investigations by Greater Manchester Police in Rochdale.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67967919

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RethinkingLife · 15/01/2024 19:16

Tallisker · 15/01/2024 13:25

Yes, CrowBlack, the powers that be had the mindset that the young teenage girls were saucy little madams who knew exactly what they were doing with their feminine wiles leading the men on. They weren't and they didn't. They were CHILDREN.

From previous discussions, isn't there a common theme of premature adultification for working class and/or Black girls? Like the defence of child prostitution somebody recently quoted ('the little madams know what they're doing and make a good living') as an argument that turned up in the then Hansard-recorded discussions about raising the age of consent in the late C19.

It reflects culturally rooted projections and fantasies of premature sexualisation and even hypersexualisation.

Of course, there are other views that would characterise mine as sex negative.

  • produces a ‘scary futurology’ (Smith, 2010), with an overemphasis on protectionism, victimisation and objectification;
  • neglects girls’ sexual agency, rights and pleasure (including how the eroticisation of innocence features in girls’ own sexual subjectification practices);
  • renews enduring binaries of active, predatory male sexuality versus passive, non-agentic female sexuality (where girls’ sexuality is always risky/at risk);
  • encourages either/or position-taking among stakeholders between sexual empowerment and pleasure versus sexual danger and protectionism;
  • legitimises a heteronormative and linear developmental trajectory of ‘healthy’ female heterosexuality;
  • operates as a white middle class panic over the desire for and loss of a raced and classed sexual innocence, and thus reproduces the othering of working class/racialised cultures as evidence of hyper-sexuality

Renold, E., & Ringrose, J. (2013). Feminisms re-figuring ‘sexualisation’, sexuality and ‘the girl’. Feminist Theory, 14(3), 247-254. https://doi.org/10.1177/1464700113499531

Crouton19 · 15/01/2024 19:17

I agree with every comment here. Fury is not a strong enough word, nor is rage. These girls didnt stand a chance. I hope they are able to heel in some small way, bit by bit.

HoneyButterPopcorn · 15/01/2024 19:18

Wheee do we even begin with this?

mommatoone · 15/01/2024 19:18

Naptrappedmummy · 15/01/2024 19:12

I also blame the parents of the girls (if not in the care system). It’s your essential job to protect your children, and they didn’t.

Edit: in addition to the police of course, I just think that parents if present should also be held to account.

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Unless you know the families of these girls, i suggest you keep your opinions on how they were raised to yourself. And i think you are missing the point of the term 'grooming'.

Naptrappedmummy · 15/01/2024 19:20

mommatoone · 15/01/2024 19:18

Unless you know the families of these girls, i suggest you keep your opinions on how they were raised to yourself. And i think you are missing the point of the term 'grooming'.

The root of the problem is very usually dysfunctionality at home. Well adjusted, cared for children don’t tend to end up in situations where this grooming can take place and men twice their age seem like a good choice of company. Very usually they’re sadly trying to escape something and end up in their clutches. It needs to be a root and branch approach, IMO

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 15/01/2024 19:28

Weren't some of these girls from homes where they were cared for and there was was no apparent dysfunction? sure I can recall reading that.

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/01/2024 19:29

Naptrappedmummy · 15/01/2024 19:20

The root of the problem is very usually dysfunctionality at home. Well adjusted, cared for children don’t tend to end up in situations where this grooming can take place and men twice their age seem like a good choice of company. Very usually they’re sadly trying to escape something and end up in their clutches. It needs to be a root and branch approach, IMO

Spoken like a victim blamer who has no idea about grooming.Hmm

JanesLittleGirl · 15/01/2024 19:30

Crouton19 · 15/01/2024 19:17

I agree with every comment here. Fury is not a strong enough word, nor is rage. These girls didnt stand a chance. I hope they are able to heel in some small way, bit by bit.

I don't feel fury or rage. I feel a deep, cold anger towards the police and and social workers who happily enabled this.

Naptrappedmummy · 15/01/2024 19:32

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/01/2024 19:29

Spoken like a victim blamer who has no idea about grooming.Hmm

Sorry how is that ‘victim blaming’? It’s blaming everyone who should be blamed - everyone who had responsibility for these girls who ultimately didn’t stop this from happening.

pickledandpuzzled · 15/01/2024 19:38

@Naptrappedmummy while I don’t entirely disagree, to say this is the fault of family dysfunction again blames the girls for their vulnerability rather than the predators who spot them.

They have an inadequate shark cage, yes.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/01/2024 19:51

JayAlfredPrufrock · 15/01/2024 17:38

And sadly there have already been several tv programmes based on these happenings but they haven’t spurred anyone into action 🤔

I think I heard this morning that Andy Burnham commissioned this report because of age brilliant BBC drama ‘Three Girls’ (I saw it), or perhaps it was because of www.imdb.com/title/tt7120578/ ’Betrayed’.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08rgd5n#:~:text=Three%2Dpart%20drama%20based%20on,and%20sexual%20abuse%20in%20Rochdale.

www.imdb.com/title/tt7120578/

BBC One - Three Girls

Drama based on the true stories of victims of grooming and sexual abuse in Rochdale.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08rgd5n#:~:text=Three%2Dpart%20drama%20based%20on,and%20sexual%20abuse%20in%20Rochdale.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/01/2024 19:54

I saw it = vouch it was brilliant and could have been the spur for Andy Burnham.
I have not seen ‘Betrayed’ so cannot know.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 15/01/2024 19:59

pickledandpuzzled · 15/01/2024 19:38

@Naptrappedmummy while I don’t entirely disagree, to say this is the fault of family dysfunction again blames the girls for their vulnerability rather than the predators who spot them.

They have an inadequate shark cage, yes.

Girls coming from a chaotic or dysfunctional family are MORE in need of protection IMO because they don't have the backup, family support or their own sense of what's appropriate and what isn't; what they shouldn't have is their background being used against them.

1dayatatime · 15/01/2024 20:08

SidewaysOtter · 15/01/2024 10:52

It’s all very well saying sorry, but WHY did this happen? Were the girls ignored because of their backgrounds (troubled and /or poorer backgrounds), or because they were female? Or did no-one want to point a finger at the perpetrators for fear of being called racist for acknowledging their attitudes to women and girls?

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This is what I came on to ask as well.

These poor girls were ignored by the police and social workers - why?

If we can't answer this question then the problem is / will just continue to be brushed under the carpet.

I don't want to read about another case of child grooming gangs in another city in another 12 months all because it's in the too difficult / too delicate to deal with box.

1dayatatime · 15/01/2024 20:11

@TooBigForMyBoots

"Police corruption. Someone was being paid."

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I don't believe this as it would mean that as well as numerous police officers the social workers were also being bribed.

mommatoone · 15/01/2024 20:15

I think you need to watch Sky news. There is a father of one of these girls called 'Scarlett' who is telling his side of the story. This girl ,as example was not from a dysfunctional family - went to a prestigious school etc. It is an excellent interview. Her father reported her missing 58 times in one year at the age of 14 ,and he was told to STOP! Open your eyes people. This is real life, happening right NOW to girls from ALL walks of life .

Toseland · 15/01/2024 20:15

"...did no-one want to point a finger at the perpetrators for fear of being called racist for acknowledging their attitudes to women and girls?"
This is what they say, but these gangs have been operating for years now, I don't believe it anymore. I think it's just a convenient excuse and that someone or rather a group of people are allowing this to happen. No more excuses. The Council, the Police, Social Services, NSPCC must all be held accountable.

IdealisticCynic · 15/01/2024 20:20

BorgQueen · 15/01/2024 16:41

It was ( probably still is) happening around Stoke when DD started her 1st Teaching job. A stream of Asian Men in cars at hometime picking Girls up. The fact that there was a resident Police officer at the school due to the gangs problem didn’t seem to deter them. One of many reasons why DD left there after 2 years, everyone just shrugged their shoulders.

“Asian men”. FFS. I work with lots of victims - many of these men are white English. If anything they get away with it even more because of the hyper focus on Asian men. I have even heard it said that juries won’t believe victims unless the grooming gang is Asian and in at least one case they only prosecuted the Asian men and none of the white men who had also been identified for precisely this reason.

This sort of casual racism is dangerous.

PinkFrogss · 15/01/2024 20:23

There were failings at so many levels, it is institutional misogyny.

And to try and say they were worried about being perceived at racist, as if they’re any better at dealing with white men. Excuses, excuses, excuses

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/01/2024 20:27

1dayatatime · 15/01/2024 20:11

@TooBigForMyBoots

"Police corruption. Someone was being paid."

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I don't believe this as it would mean that as well as numerous police officers the social workers were also being bribed.

This level of criminality doesn't escape police notice. How did their "didn't want to be seen as racist" present outside poor white girls being raped for men's profit?

Where I live it's white men grooming, trapping, exploiting, raping and torturing vulnerable women and children with impunity. They get away with it because they pay cops in money and information.

If you really believe the police were scared of being seen as racist, send me a PM. I've a deal on magic beans this week.

ArabellaScott · 15/01/2024 20:28

Whatever race or background these men need to be stopped. The police and social services need to do their jobs without fear or favour.

These girls need someone to bloody stand up for them. Where are the NSPCC in all this?

RethinkingLife · 15/01/2024 20:32

These poor girls were ignored by the police and social workers - why?

If I remember correctly, some of the social workers were present at the Women's Liberation conference in UCL in 2020.

Those social workers didn't ignore them, but the SW reports were ignored, concealed, and they found themselves pushed to the margins.

mommatoone · 15/01/2024 20:33

@TooBigForMyBoots

not 'casual racism ' . This thread is about the Rochdale grooming gangs. The men were (are) Asian.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/01/2024 20:35

IdealisticCynic · 15/01/2024 20:20

“Asian men”. FFS. I work with lots of victims - many of these men are white English. If anything they get away with it even more because of the hyper focus on Asian men. I have even heard it said that juries won’t believe victims unless the grooming gang is Asian and in at least one case they only prosecuted the Asian men and none of the white men who had also been identified for precisely this reason.

This sort of casual racism is dangerous.

This article gives an overview where Asian men are more implicated in these. grooming gang crimes (though not in more general child sexual abuse).

www.noahsnewsletter.com/p/the-demographics-of-grooming-gangs?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/01/2024 20:44

mommatoone · 15/01/2024 20:33

@TooBigForMyBoots

not 'casual racism ' . This thread is about the Rochdale grooming gangs. The men were (are) Asian.

Edited

I thought this thread was about systemic sexism that allows the rape, torture and exploitation of women and girls.

Nowhere did I talk about "casual racism".Hmm