“Transwomen should be able to strip search women if they have a GRC”

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Chris Philp, the policing minister says that transwomen should “only” be able to strip search women if they have a GRC: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-gender-police-officers-strip-search-id-xfvwsdjgn

On one hand, it stops the self-identified transwomen but NO man - and transwomen ARE biologically male - should be involved in the strip search of a woman. A GRC does not change their biological sex. And any transwoman who insists on a “right” to strip search women raises more red flags than a communist rally.

Mr Philip can be tweeted at @CPhilpOfficial, if anyone else wants to make their feelings known.

I feel this policy and the Scottish prison policy is as much about men marking their territory. It's possible that it may rarely or never happen but they've staked their claim. I think it's been posted that women's prisons were deliberately targeted, if those spaces fell... They've had pushback, retreated to recamp, but are placeholding. Planning their next move? Waiting for Labour to get in? After all, it'll never happen. Well hardly ever.

Yes. It's also reasonable to assume that some of the predators (the ones currently being dismissed from the police force) have escaped notice and have risen to the top in the police service where they're able to implement dodgy policies like this. The fact that none of them went, "wait a minute, this isn't right" is very telling about the individuals who've signed off on all this.

Not to mention at the top it appears to be either a belief that a woman's subjective experience varies according to whether or not the bloke assaulting and coercing her have a certificate at home, or a belief that it's ok for women to be sexually assaulted to make vulnerable men happy so long as the numbers of men doing the assaulting seems reasonable.

You're left staggered at the idea that some of these men must have wives and daughters. And whether they really are this naive and ill informed - Phillips was unfamiliar with the basic contents of the report he commented on ffs, he made a major gaffe there - or whether they really do believe that sometimes you just gotta let a man do necessary sexually assaulting of women, cos men have needs.

Thank you for your perspective, it's very good to have it on the thread.

The ship has turned:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/13/police-drop-guidance-allowing-strip-searches-trans-officers/

archive.ph/0yVBP

It concerns me they're using the same language 'case by case' as the Scottish Prison proposals. This ideology has poisonous roots.

YY, cake.

Ha!
If they say transwomen can't search girls and women then they're admitting reality - that they're men. But advocating for the rights of men to breach boundaries and strip search girls and women is proving tricky for them to push through - funny that. 🙄

Thank fuck for that. When will it ever end?

It does seem endless doesn't it? Wave after wave of predatory ideas getting traction and being implemented by the useless idiots in power in the police, schools, the NHS, the law. politics and so on.

Note the words “temporarily withdrawn” (it’s just for now) and in the interim police forces to revert to their own policies (which may be that TW can strip search). This is still a live issue IMO.

@maltravers yes, that's what I think too. What is there to think about? Tw police officers can't search women a little bit, it's yes or no. Perhaps the women will be asked if they're okay with being violated by PC Big Suze? Maybe they'll drop hints that it'll look well with the Judge <wink> as a sweetener. Or that PC Actualwomanyesreallylookcertificate has nice warm hands.

Male bodied people strip searching women is gross and it is absolutely unacceptable. Women are never considered in these matters, the establishment are like toddlers chasing Stonewall gold stars (or do their bonuses depend on checking the DEI tick box which incidentally violates women).

Hm.

Pausing to think about it - shhh shhh, get it out of the public eye until it all settles down again and we can make policy how we want it

Case by case - sometimes it is appropriate for a woman to be sexually assaulted by a male, if it's a really special male who really deserves to assault her.

Fuck off to the far side of fuck with that Phillips, what are you smoking in there?!

Well put Froodwithatrowel

JanesLittleGirl · Yesterday 21:33

The ship has turned:

Goodness me, a small outbreak of rationality; whatever next?

FWIW i thought id add this bit about searching in prisons. There are no transmen in the male prison estate. Even the Prison Service isn't that stupid. Transmen are always searched by female staff.

Transwomen who come into prison are invariably in the male estate, and there are always male officers in Reception to search arrivals. Even after arrival a transwoman prisoner will always be intimately searched by male officers. Female officers and instructors can do rub-down searches.

That is useful to know Pony, thank you. I understand that TW are sometimes in women’s prisons in Scotland. I wonder what happens there if a strip search is required 😬.

Agree.

Who gets to decide on this 'case by case basis' and how does this fit with women having human rights?

I suspect that ultimately this means if you have a duty sergeant who happens to be a Couzens or Carrick- a - like or a 'do it to Julia' woman then any male police officer who fancies it can assault a woman. No thanks.

Talk about putting a flashing neon sign over the police 'ABUSERS APPLY HERE!!'. As if they don't have enough problems in this regard.

The misogyny and denial of women's human rights is pretty clear.

@Froodwithatowel
I note too in my lack of sympathy the absolute deafening lack of trans people going 'no, do not demand the right to sexually assault women in my name, that behaviour has nothing to do with being trans

This is a really important point and if anyone makes this point anywhere, it’s rarely allowed to stand.

The absolute priority of TW is validation, of themselves and other TW, and indulgence of their “needs” (words chosen carefully). They rarely join in campaigning for women’s rights, welfare, safety etc, only trans rights. It could not be clearer that they don’t see themselves as being in the same boat as women. They know they are separate and different. They will often say they are a “proud TW” (not woman) yet aggressively insist they are a woman when it comes to access to what they want. There is no empathy or solidarity with “cis” women, none. Appalling violent crimes against women rarely attract horror and condemnation from TW. It’s all trans rights, trans rights, trans rights. Commenting on this led to women being permanently banned from Twitter, for years.

People should stop to think why TW are not saying hold on, this is open to abuse, a predatory man could join the police and say he is a TW so that he can strip search women; this goes too far, it reflects badly on TW, we don’t need this “right”. Because they are not saying that. Just as they are not saying TW nurses don’t need the right to do cervical screening on women. Because Trans Rights are everything and women are just goods to be used to give them what they want.

We have a long way to go because so many ordinary people have no idea about all this. Even now, many people think a TW is a woman who “lives as” a man, or someone who has had all the surgery and years of hormones, and plenty of people are utterly confused and think that a person with a penis and breasts (implants) is “intersex”. Much more sunlight is needed before we’ll really get anywhere.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13511543/Fury-police-chiefs-fail-stop-transgender-officers-born-male-identify-female-permitted-strip-search-women.html

It looks as if the senior men in the police determined to breach women's boundaries are still running the show? They've apparently involved a transactivist lawyer in this alleged "review".

Given the police's appalling reputation for employing numerous men who rape, sexually and physically assault women, the lack of understanding that no male office should be allowed to intimately search a woman demonstrates that sanctioning this toxic behaviour comes from the very top.

I would really love this to come to court. I'd love to see a transwoman police officer all over the news, taking the employer to court for discrimination and demanding the 'right' to strip search women.

No review is necessary. It's never acceptable for a man, what ever his nebulous and possibly fluid gender identity might be, to conduct a sexual assault search of a woman.

The best complexion I could put on this review was so the Police would have legal heft if some tw were to complain about discrimination. Not to devise a pervert's charter.

If there is a legal challenge i expect it to come from a tm. Other countries have seen them used as shock troops (and after all blokes all secretly love being groped by strange women😳). A trans-inclusive procedure is then devised which makes no distinction between tm and tw.

FictionalCharacter · 15/01/2024 18:55

The absolute priority of TW is validation, of themselves and other TW, and indulgence of their “needs” (words chosen carefully). They rarely join in campaigning for women’s rights, welfare, safety etc, only trans rights. It could not be clearer that they don’t see themselves as being in the same boat as women. They know they are separate and different. They will often say they are a “proud TW” (not woman) yet aggressively insist they are a woman when it comes to access to what they want.

How very eloquently put, it's spot on.

How many of those officers actually have a GRC?
It should be an offence for a man to cause others to think he has a GRC when he doesn't.