“Transwomen should be able to strip search women if they have a GRC”

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Chris Philp, the policing minister says that transwomen should “only” be able to strip search women if they have a GRC: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-gender-police-officers-strip-search-id-xfvwsdjgn

On one hand, it stops the self-identified transwomen but NO man - and transwomen ARE biologically male - should be involved in the strip search of a woman. A GRC does not change their biological sex. And any transwoman who insists on a “right” to strip search women raises more red flags than a communist rally.

Mr Philip can be tweeted at @CPhilpOfficial, if anyone else wants to make their feelings known.

Surely a proportinate means of achieving a legitmate aim (that being the searching of women and girls by an officer of the same sex for dignity and privacy) would allow a GRC to be disregarded. GRCs can be ignored for a host of reasons where women are vulnerable so why not here???? I cannot believe the need for validation overrides the requirement for searches by the same SEX. I think the minister has been given duff advice.

I.... Wow.
Ooc, do we know how many trans identifying police officers there even are...?

I saw that - bloody outrageous - presented as if that's all fine and absolutely normal if they have a grc. Utter bastards. No men, whatever they are calling themselves, should be strip searching women.

The patriarchally-fuelled misogynistic insanity continues 🤬

How the fuck did we get here.

Even if you accept that a GRC makes a difference it's the absolutely ridiculous and lax way a GRC can be obtained. Ergo his statement is meaningless.

Has any transwoman actually tried to/insisted it is their "right"? Or is he talking hypothetically?

This is ridiculous.

A police man who identifies as a woman shouldn't be strip searching women (for various, obvious reasons), but if that very same man pays £5 for a piece of paper, suddenly it's fine.

Illogical. Absolute bullshit.

Five pounds. A fucking fiver to be legally permitted to sexually assault women, folks. That's how much we matter.

Why is that man so stupid as to think this is okay? 🤬

Can't say it any better than this. So sick of this BS.

The Tory government is steeped in rape culture and has been destroying women's rights and circumstances for the past 14 years.

Why?

What is the reason they should be allowed to strip search women?

You think Labour will be any better when the leader thinks women can have penises?

Also reported by the DM whose headline says - Police minister Chris Philp tells forces to stop allowing self-ID trans officers to strip-search women - no
mention at all of GRC though.

I will write to my MP rather than address this over Ex Twitter.

Yes, but at least the good old Tories know what a woman is

It's a quite intentional wedge.

If men with a legal fiction on paper can be women then some men are women and it's not a sex based issue. Achieve that bit of the argument and you've destroyed women's rights effectively. We're now down to just arguing which men get special rights to abuse women.

And as we all know, you can't ask to see a GRC and the report that started this said you can't so all men who want to can be women, so effectively this goes right on permitting men who want to search women to crack on with searching women.

And again, all the rights and sensitivities and humanity is extended to the men only in the situation, on a binary, sexed basis. From this fuss you have to assume that apparently some men are absolutely slavering to get their hands on the bodies on non consenting women, and you know what's in it for them, but the benefit and needs of the women in all this is missing entirely. Which makes it look nothing more than a lot of sexist, abusive abnegation of duty and responsibility, and enabling men in an unjustifiable and frankly alarming agenda.

No man needs to search a woman. A police search is not actually supposed to be about the man having a good time.

Why is anyone trying to engineer a situation in which a man could force a special loophole not granted to men normally, for him to be able commit this abuse to a non consenting women who is in police custody? Why would anyone do this?! Check hard drives.
Men who are frantic to search women and would exploit this loophole to do it should never be in any position of power and responsibility over anyone, and definitely not employed by the police.
How men identify at the time is irrelevant when very concerning behaviour and attitude is involved.
No men. At all. The GRC was meant for things like pension rights. It was not intended to enable men to physically assault women.

See: repeal the bloody GRA.

When Lisa Nandy is on video saying that men who rape children should be able to serve their sentences in women’s prisons.

I'd have said at one time, kindly, that the fundamental issue here is that if men are not legally women in some circumstances then there's a boundary to fight/limit to self perception as a woman. (Which is not the problem of women to solve: reality is unfortunately Gender Critical.)

But it is increasingly obvious that this is actually and only about men who want the right to use the bodies of women while knowing the woman has no right of consent and if she dares even look at him wrong he can get her.

And those men don't need sympathy and understanding and kindness. They need bloody firm boundaries.

You might want to check out what the past few Tory PMs said on the matter.

When Lisa Nandy was saying men should go to women's prisons the Tory government were actually putting men including rapists in women's prisons. Where they raped women.

The party is steeped in rape culture. None of what they've done to us is accidental, oversight or mistake.

If anything deserves a single sex exemption it's this.

The world continues to go insane.

No thanks

GRC or not

The GRA and GRCs are from a Labour gov

They fucked up and forgot to stress test with a basic question - can a male with a GRC do an intimate search on a woman?

Lammy was there pushing for it maybe he can answer twenty years too late

Dangerous law which they will defend

Apparently strip searching in general is something that is allowed as a proportionate means to achieving a legitimate aim. Where have I heard that phrase before?

As a proportionate means to achieving a legitimate aim (protecting the safety and dignity of women), the Equality Act says the GRC can be disregarded in certain circumstances.

I’d say this is one hell of a certain circumstance.

Fantastic Post.

And should be read by every every cop and every cop of charge of a cop everywhere.

No man needs to search a woman. A police search is not actually supposed to be about the man having a good time.

This, this, this. This entire, disgusting ideology is about using women's bodies - against all their consent - in order to validate men's feelings of either identity, entitlement, or just plain fucking perversion.

I have emailed my MP