“Transwomen should be able to strip search women if they have a GRC”

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Chris Philp, the policing minister says that transwomen should “only” be able to strip search women if they have a GRC: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-gender-police-officers-strip-search-id-xfvwsdjgn

On one hand, it stops the self-identified transwomen but NO man - and transwomen ARE biologically male - should be involved in the strip search of a woman. A GRC does not change their biological sex. And any transwoman who insists on a “right” to strip search women raises more red flags than a communist rally.

Mr Philip can be tweeted at @CPhilpOfficial, if anyone else wants to make their feelings known.

Do you think there's a head in the sand level of awareness as was with the post office. Untill the itv program about the po people were not aware.
Do we need some brave TV producer to run with the story of women's rights being stolen by men claiming to be women?

Yes absolutely

And tracing it back to why the law exists at all, who was responsible

It’ll take a producer not fully on board with Guardian / Labour gender ideology. And I’m not sure what those investigative programmes will defend

No. At this point it's deliberate.

We need a journalist to ask Chris Phillip, and indeed all MPs, 'so, a policeman can get a certificate for £5, which allows him to legally sexually assault women then?'

Personally I can't wait for the documentary about Maya, Denise, Rachel, Jo and Allison's trials. The writers would have it fairly easy as the batshit in court that was spouted has been recorded by tribunal tweets.

I particularly liked the bits where the gender zeolots couldn't themselves keep to preferred pronouns, despite trying to bully everyone else into 'its just being kind and it's easy'.

They're going to need some really good actresses involved to do justice to these brave women, ideally those who haven't sold children down the river. Amanda Abbington springs to mind. Who else?

Sounds like Chris Philp is suggesting men who want to strip search women should seek out one of these special rape certificates.

You might want to check out what the past few Tory PMs said on the matter.

I don't really give a shit what previous PMs did or didn't do - if you want to go down that route, you might want to check which party was responsible for bringing in the GRA/GRCs, as @EasternStandard says.

What I do care about is the current government and potential ones. The current government seems to be dealing with the issue a lot better than a potential Starmer-led one; Starmer being a man who thinks only most women don't have a penis.

It's extremely frustrating that the daily mail article today is so unclear about this, it is as far as I can tell factually correct but doesn't point out that the minister has not stopped biological males with a certificate carry out the strip searches. Comments underneath have not picked this up either.

PM Sunak said a woman is whatever Boris Johnson says. At that time, Johnson was PM and refused to say that only women have a cervix. He'll say whatever. If Wolf Blass give him a big enough bung he'll say a woman is a fine wine.

So what's being said is there's a magic piece of paper that immediately transforms the bearer into a member of a sacred caste that can remove rights and physical safety from some of the most vulnerable women with impunity. With the added kicker that they can't be asked to show this magic piece of paper for proof, we just have to believe them when they say they have it. Well that's not a recipe for disaster at all

The comments on the Times article are fantastic. The public gets this. Why are those in charge still pandering to the trans lobby?

I came across this article in the Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/10/confused-police-forces-fear-misgendering-trans-people/

Which is adjacent to the thread subject.

It also made me think of something else. If you're held in custody in a police station, prior to being bailed, released or transferred, are you held as your sex or your gi. If the latter, what happens if you have to share a cell? Does that ever happen?

I suspect, for various reasons, the sensible thing would be to keep any transperson in their own cell, assuming the police realise that person is trans.

Then, what happens in bail hostels, cells in the courts, in fact all through the justice system?

As far as i know, starmer hasnt said that the government is misinterpreting that GRA and SSE in the EqA, so im assuming nothing will change under his leadership. So, if there a rape culture within the tory government, this policy wont change with a change of government.

My reading of the EqA is that a woman has the right not to be searched by a man with a GRC. There obviously is confusion, and a mulitude of MP who active want men with GRC to search women.

The law has to be clear and understood by everyone to be fair, not ambiguous.

So parliament needs to stop arsing about with this. Explain to everyone the process- what exactly does getting a diagnosis entail, what are the safeguarding policies around getting a GRC, and publish the impact assessment for women.

Because its looks to me that a man gets id in a new name, a telephone diagnosis from gender GP, and after two years and £5 fee gets to strip search a woman. That obviously not true, is it? There must be more to it than that?

It really does

I really don't think you can make this a party issue. Its blindingly obvious to me that it is a misogynistic societal issue that meant people, across the board, never stopped for one minute to think what all this meant for women and, when it was pointed out to them, starting with the name calling. GI took off because of a deep rooted societal belief that women do not matter as much as men.

Both parties have backtracked for their own political reasons, after intense push back from feminists. I think its safe to say neither have done so due to a deep internalised belief that women are equal humans with men.

It feels like the rape support group where every venue emailed a (very brave) poster on here that she could not have access due to not wanting males present

This seems to be down to Stonewall overreach telling companies incorrect advice

What would happen if the venue did offer the space would a TRA take them to court?

Same with this if a male woth a GRC was informed they could not do this would they take the employer to court?

I don’t think we’ve had a court case to determine the boundaries of the EqA in practise

Obviously we need it, we need change on this generally

It's a government issue and this government has had Rape Culture at its centre since it came to power.

If a transwoman police officer (biologically male but holding a GRC) was refused permission to strip-search a woman, and then took his employer to court to complain, wouldn’t he look ever so slightly unsavoury?

Why would the TW want this ‘right‘?

Why must the TW’s desire to feel like a real woman (and be treated like one at all times) come at the expense of the very real needs and protections of vulnerable women? Who is more important?

I note that there’s no storm over transmen wanting to strip-search male prisoners. It’s always about men wanting access to women, their spaces, their bodies and their stuff. Male people, however they identify, are the most important humans. Bend over and be kind while Sally-Anne shoves ‘her’ gloved fingers up your intimate areas because hey, you’re validating ‘her’ womanhood and making the police force much more attractive for ‘her’.

Leave women alone, FFS!

It worse than that. No one is allowed to even ask if they have the magic SA entitlement certificate never mind ask to see it. So by default any male PO can strip search a woman.

If a transwoman police officer (biologically male but holding a GRC) was refused permission to strip-search a woman, and then took his employer to court to complain, wouldn’t he look ever so slightly unsavoury?

I agree with your post generally but I have seen a few posts on
why TRAs are motivated as they are. RMW (ex / barrister iirc) on another thread gives Stonewall poor legal advice, which ends to with organisations and has started leading to payouts.

The challenge from TRAs legally is immense and all this will likely be fought over in the courts

And worse still

If a woman objects she could be up for a crime ie transphobia

I’m sure this will help the recruitment drive. Not that this would be attractive to bad apples or anything!

All of this ^^

Why have we got the lobby kicking off that a distraught rape victim who has requested a same sex provider is allowed to say NO to being treated by a male who wishes her to create the fiction that he is a woman?

Why is the lobby currently being taken to court because they insist that a woman who will not talk about her rape in front of a man who wishes her to create the fiction that she believes he is a woman, should be denied any services or support?

This isn't an accidental bug, it is a feature . This is about the wish of men to be able to intimately handle a non consenting, distressed female in smug awareness that she knows she will be punished if she refuses or does not pretend to believe he is whatever he tells her to pretend to believe.

This is abusive. This is coercive control with intimate physical contact. This is about men who see their paid, employed role in the worst moments of a woman's life to be only and exclusively about their enjoyment of the experience and their needs being met.

ANY man wishing to do this to a woman should be nowhere near a position of trust or responsibility, and how he identifies is absolutely bloody irrelevant. He is a perpetrator looking for somewhere to happen.

I would also love Chris Phillips to explain how the experience of a woman being strip searched by a man differs according to the legal paperwork in the man's possession at the time.

What all four of them across the UK? Yes apparently that is how many transwomen in the police force.

Stop and searches rare; strip searches, extremely rare.

Seems another "fear and doom" and OMG! article on something that just isnt going to happen.....