Rachel Meade - it's a win!

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so far from being ‘landmark’ or ‘seismic’ the case tells us little.

Nice try, sunshine.

Ha ha ha! Robin never disappoints!

Denial is strong in that one.

I have no idea who RMW is thankfully but that quote makes zero sense

well colour me shocked that RMW is portraying a total and complete win for Rachel as being not that important.

i have noticed Robin isn’t around these parts much these days scolding us compared to 2 years ago ie pre Alison Bailey. I wonder why that is

Are they meant to have legal insight via their profession?

Because that is a very poor sum up

A bit reckless!

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it’s been shambolic. No governing body should have taken this wispy rubbish forward.

I wonder how many more women are being punished by this process? Are any registering bodies not captured?
https://x.com/svphillimore/status/1745353439570182462?s=46

White is a prominent activist and is a male who loves to scold women who don’t believe that White is a woman. White is also a barrister, discrimination specialty I believe, and I also believe has been one of those advising Stonewall for years.

White insists that they should be treated exactly like a woman, and has even spoken ‘as a woman’ on the parliamentary 50:50 initiative panel giving women advice on how to progress their careers as women. Yes, you read that right and the committee who invited White has never apologised that they invited a male who transitioned as a male, who absolutely understands the ‘power’ of their own male voice so would never have a procedure that might chance that voice.

White has a long history on MN.

Well, of course, without prejudice, and not withstanding any findings about the soundness of the advice to SWE, RMW would feel that.

RMW felt like that about most others in which RMW has been involved and hopes to feel that way again about Sarah's case in re: single sex rape support facilities (I don't think that's come to its conclusion yet but I lose track).

Does RobinMoiraWhite ever win cases?

Tsk, you display ignorance of the Penge Bungalow Murder Taylor vs Jaguar Land Rover that is the bedrock of RMW's career. The only ET ruling that matters.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/17/gender-fluid-engineer-wins-landmark-uk-discrimination-case

By the way, talking about the need for de-programming…without further comment.

While on the subject of Taylor I appreciate that it is an inconvenient judgement for the trans-are-invalid analysis of the world, but I have not ‘touted it as a landmark case’ as Naomi alleges. This label was first applied by Stonewall, and would be supported by many non-binary folk. I see Stonewall now refer to it as a ‘milestone’ case and that is undoubtedly true in that it was the first case in which a non-binary identity was found to be protected under the Equality Act.
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https://translucent.org.uk/a-remarkable-document/

Personally, I think this should raise serious questions about Social Work England's capacity to regulate social work in England.

I'd like to see a full inquiry into their operations to investigate their fitness to regulate.

I'd like to see what complaints have been made against workers, how these are handled, what kinds of guidance and PD they offer, and whether these are ideologically or evidence-driven.

Helleofabore · Today 08:43

Yes, you read that right and the committee who invited White has never apologised that they invited a male who transitioned as a male, who absolutely understands the ‘power’ of their own male voice so would never have a procedure that might chance that voice.

Yes, I remember that Guardian article from some years back, when them wanged on about retaining them's booming male voice, despite they being a woman now, as it was useful and intimidating in the courtroom. It doesn't seem like the sort of trait I'd recognise in a common or garden, everyday sort of woman.

Or perhaps I don't move in the right, exalted circles?

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Well, RMW is right that trans people have nothing to worry about from this judgment because transphobia is still not allowed, and also right that Rachel Meade behaved blamelessly and professionally by discussing her views as a private person in a private group.

But RMW has missed that this judgement ruled (perhaps for the first time, which would be a landmark!) that gender critical does not automatically mean transphobic and so it is discriminatory to call the expression of a view "transphobic" just for being a "gender critical" view.

Or perhaps RMW thinks there is still a convincing argument that they really are exactly the same thing, in which case there could be grounds for an appeal. I suspect that Westminster council and SWE will not think so, but if RMW's on the team who knows?

I'd like to see a full inquiry into their operations to investigate their fitness to regulate.

My cat pressed the return key...

I meant to go on to say that whereas there are likely to be malpractice cases against HCPs and the Tavi has been and is being investigated so much damage is and can be done by social workers who are indoctrinated at university and who go out to practice often uncritically and without any critical thinking skills. SWE approves university SW degrees and has a say into what is taught and how it is taught.

Once in practice, social workers have to conform to SWE's dictates or they risk being the next Rachel.

Rachel won her case regarding freedom of speech but there is a lot of ideologically driven and captured practice out there and few workers willing to stand up or push back.

Yet, these workers deal with women, families, children and teens and they can do a lot of damage. This seems to fly under the radar whereas other practitioners are more in the spotlight.

Bundlejuice

I read about Blackpool being the hotspot for gender referrals, @YetAnotherSpartacus which seemed odd until I understood how impoverished that area is and how many children are fostered/in trouble/need support and therefore have middle class, indoctrinated SW.

it’s absolutely fucking terrifying.

Thanks for the info

So they can chalk up costing the tax payer in a (hopefully huge) payout due to incredibly bad legal advice to Stonewall, who then are cited in the judgement

Shame we can’t send them the bill

Oops. Missed a bit, perhaps making the point even more relevant.

“who invited White has never apologised that they invited a male who transitioned as a male”

Should have been ‘mature male’. As in age not in emotional maturity, of course.

stealtheatingtunnocks

Yep. I think Cass might be looking at demographics but I'd like to know more about pathways to referrals and what professionals were involved. I'm sure social workers do a lot of reporting and suspect children in care are overrepresented.

The rot starts in universities though and I'd like to see how SWE evaluates degrees and what they expect to be taught.

There are lots of employers who ask questions along the lines of, "Are there any matters in progress or in your recent past that might cause embarrassment in the event of your appointment and its subsequent disclosure" (I paraphrase).

I wonder if Woolton | Wolton disclosed these proceedings and AW's role as instigator of them to Sport England?

Well, Woolton and sport England would likely see this as an example of good, righteous professional behaviour, wouldn’t they?

so I expect it’s hard to tell. We need to wait for the tribunals. My own body is the HCPC which must have hundreds of thousands of registrants and takes about 5 years for cases to come to court. I’m in Scotland where Cass has, apparently, no influence at all because Scottish children are magically protected by scotch mist.

I remember getting warnings from MN about my commentary on that powerful voice. The one that White tried to deny had ‘male’ power due to the sexist discrimination against female voices, as well as the power of a male set of lungs. White wished us all to believe it was just the power from the lungs that White might lose if White had a procedure on White’s vocal cords. It was like being in an alternate universe in that discussion.

YetAnotherSpartacus · Today 09:03

Once in practice, social workers have to conform to SWE's dictates or they risk being the next Rachel.

Surely that won't be possible any more? They must follow the law, in their professional standards and practices. Won't a judge look at such a case and say, "Haven't you learned from the last one?" and be punitive?