"Transphobic bullying is rife": 15 y/o trans boy's view of coming out at school

[ButterflyHatched]

A rare and refreshing example of the mainstream media actually publishing a young trans person's own words on the subject of their own existence and how the government's draft guidance is likely to affect the people it directly pertains to.

‘Transphobic bullying is rife’: a 15-year-old trans boy’s view of coming out at school | Transgender | The Guardian

yep. Female children are resources to be exploited for mature adults who need that affirmative action for their own needs. So exploit the needs of female teens for their own purposes. But will deny it forever, being the elder, sought after guide for teens, in the local community. While declaring their own experience is close enough to be able to state categorically that their experience is directly relevant to be giving advice on all things trans.

The reality is, female people need role models of FEMALE people with gender dysphoria rather than ANY male who has no fucking idea what female people go through as children, teens and adults. It is so ridiculous that any community gives those male people any degree of authority in giving guidance to female people that directly corresponds with the female experience . But hey, we have Bergdorf as a ‘champion’ for UN women. Fucking misogyny at every fucking turn and all these ideological driven people allowing it in the aim of being inclusive.

Does this still stand if you are feeling guilty for not feeling comfortable around any other minority, or just trans people?

Which other minority wants to use single sex spaces for members of the opposite sex?

Oh dear. How many other groups are to be leveraged to make one group’s demands seem reasonable?

please stop. It is getting more and more visible to those readers. It is another version of saying the quiet bits out loud.

Do you ever feel guilty for your homophobia and misogyny Butterfly? What about your blatant disregard for the minority of muslim women who can't be around unrelated males like you and are therefore being pushed out of society?

Butterfly, I ask again, would it be ok to make all open changing rooms mixed sex, and if not, why not?

The defining characteristic of single sex spaces is sex, not trans status. The male sex is not a minority.

It’s unacceptable to identify into any other protected characteristic, why should it be acceptable for a male to identify as female?

Thankfully those days are very nearly over, as the only difference between identifying as a different sex to identifying as a different race is the transsexualism diagnosis, and transactivists are dismantling that themselves.

The discomfort is also nothing to do with someone being trans. It’s purely a problem of being male.

People don’t care about your internal sense of gender. They may, in some situations, care about the sex characteristics of your body.

Just a short break…

https://x.com/mforstater/status/1739296096122196407?s=46&t=HTxp6zC_d4GZ2FFv4a-YeQ

Seemed appropriate..

I don’t think girls feel uncomfortable around masculine presenting girls. There have been tomboys forever. I doubt girls are unhappy about transboys in their spaces.

Do boys feel uncomfortable around female presenting or effeminate boys? Maybe. I don’t know what men feel about that. I agree if there’s a phobia around transgirls from other boys that’s something where education and empathy is needed.

most people don’t feel comfortable like that around the opposite sex, trans people seem to assume it’s our own sex, presented differently people have an issue with, but I’m not sure that’s true.

Most people don’t want mixed sex facilities where changing or toilets are concerned.

Explain again, Butterfly why, even though it flies in the face of what the majority of the general public wants the minority of men who have trans status insist they should be in women only spaces.

Or boys in girls’. In fact, especially explain why a boy who is physically no different to another boy in his year group aside from maybe clothes and hair style needs to change with girls and can’t change with boys or find another solution.

Plus the added issue for children is they look to people in positions of authority to safeguard and not lie about something as fundamental as human biology and ability to change sex

It’s not right for dc to take on that lie for adults

For the men-ny, not the few (women of minority religions)

I'm sorry, but rights are all about BALANCING needs of various minority and disadvantaged/vulnerable groups.

Here we have to consider:
Religious minority who CANNOT share spaces with the opposite sex at all so are pushed completely out of public life whilst trans-people can still use their same sex facilities
Girls under 18 who are forced to share facilities with males over 18 which goes totally against all safeguarding frameworks.
Women generally who have a loss of dignity /safety at having to share facilities. How exactly is that balanced, especially when the number of women who would be negatively impacted would be huge whilst the number of trans-women would be small?

And THEN we have the issues over the impact to homosexuals and their communities etc.

As I say it's about balance - not shitting all over everyone else and getting a status above all the others at the expense of everyone else.

*Helleofabore" · 24/12/2023 06:21

And this readers is how extreme trans activists have leveraged the lesbian, gay and bisexual community to progress the harmful agenda of forcing society to allow male people into female single sex spaces. Using this narrative that you see right here.

I think it's less of a narrative and more of a propagandistic heap of horseshit. The MRAs have very little logical, or factual arguments, so they resort to revisionism, hoping that people won't remember, or know that it's untrue.

Their "arguments" are hollow and rely on emotiveness, rather than objective facts, because statements can be proven or disproven easily enough.

I'm a bisexual woman who is a feminist. You appear to be using a very odd, contorted definition of misogyny which comes down to 'anyone who disagrees with me is automatically a misogynist'. That's not how it works. Trans people are constantly accused of doing the very thing you are doing here.

Please spare me the disingenuous posturing about being pushed out of society. I have had to hide what I am for 20 years to escape being pushed out of society.

There are 14 countries in the world it is illegal for me to exist in on account of being a trans woman. I cannot go to these places without facing incarceration or mortal harm. One of them is a country my father served for years and lost his best friend fighting for. He cannot bring his own daughter with him when he is invited there for commemorations because it is illegal for her to exist there.

Their "arguments" are hollow and rely on emotiveness, rather than objective facts, because statements can be proven or disproven easily enough.

It is strange that posters come on and think that by recounting their personal experiences as males, they are so convincingly persuasive through emotion that it’s going to change people’s minds about the rights of women and girls. I have only ever read threads like this and been convinced even more that I’m on the right “side”.

Case in point.

So your answer to not being able to do A,B and C is to stop people that aren't causing these issues from being able to do X,Y and Z?

That's not very grown up is it?

There's many more countries than 14 where I can't go because being a lesbian is criminalised, wearing the wrong clothes is criminalised (I'm a 'cis' female but couldn't wear trousers), having sex with the wrong sex of person can be penalised with person/death, being raped is criminalised, but you want me and others like me to give up sex based protections in the country that I live because it's legally been made safe(ish) for me? That's what is the misogyny, it's not a random accusation.

*prison/death

And this is a continued example of what misogyny is and why the assertion made by twet and others is correct in this case.

When a person has created a whole new reality for themselves, you can be well assured that this includes a whole new language where the meaning of words have been switched to become suddenly contronyms when they were not before. What the group who have forced this linguistic change don’t like to be reminded of, is that once others have understood this forced change of language, very few others believe anything they say. Because how can they ever trust what such a person says again.

Kier Starmer’s slippery language is a good example of how this works.

Hence all that group have left to use to convince others is emotional manipulation. The science was never there to support them.

What has become very apparent over the past two years though is that this manipulation is failing more often than not, with the wider population.

It was always a strategy that was doomed though.

Poor butterfly, you can only respond with insults. Farmers dislike dogs off the lead in a field with sheep. They are not "prejudiced" against dogs, they just know that dogs will sometimes worry sheep and that can result in the death of the sheep or their lambs. Then they may have to shoot the dogs to protect their sheep. Letting men into female spaces is resisted for the same reason, it's potentially harmful to women and girls, although we dont shoot them for doing harm.

It is a biological impossibility for men to become women. There are no countries that prevent men from existing, a few prevent them for presenting as female. "Existence" is biological reality, it is not based on your thoughts.

I am laughing though that anyone with such a highly individualised focus can think that they are feminist. It is like someone gathers together all the labels that feel are aspirational and pins them onto themselves, without understanding that people who do fit the label can easily see that this person’s label is falsely claimed and very clearly so.