Feminism, rape, and Israel. Content warning.

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https://unherd.com/2023/11/metoo-unless-youre-a-jew/

I skipped parts of this article, specifically the first person account.

The rest of it I think is an important read.

Because of this post I looked it up. I don’t know if this site for answers to questions about Islam is accurate/bona fide but, it does seem to say any non believer taken in a war by a jihadi can be their slave ( ‘under their right hand’) and it is ok to have sex with them.

Surely most ordinary modern Muslims now take this as being out of date and no longer part of their belief system?
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From
What is the ruling on intimacy with slave women? - Islam Question & Answer

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/13737/what-is-the-ruling-on-intimacy-with-slave-women
https://islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/13737

[quote]
With regard to your question about it being permissible for a master to be intimate with his slave woman, the answer is that that is because Allaah has permitted it. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts)

1. Except from their wives or (the slaves) that their right hands possess, for then, they are free from blame”

[al-Mu’minoon 23:6; al-Ma’aarij 70:30]

That is subject to the condition that he has acquired her in a proper manner, and that this slave woman has not been given by her master in marriage to another man to whom she is still married. The reason why this is permitted is that this slave woman belongs to him, either because he has paid money to buy her or he has fought for the sake of Allaah (and acquired her among the war booty).

Shaykh al-Shanqeeti (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The reason for which people may be taken as slaves is if they are kaafirs who are waging war against Allaah and His Messenger. If Allaah grants victory to the mujaahid Muslims, who are offering their souls, their wealth and all their resources and everything that Allaah has given them so that the word of Allaah might prevail over the kuffaar, then these kuffaar may become slaves, unless the imam chooses to let them go or to ransom them if that serves the interests of the Muslims.

ScrollingLeaves - I’m sure you’re right, most modern Muslims would think that is ridiculous. However the Boko Haram and other examples upthread indicate - not quite all

Every Jewish philanthropist needs to wake up and donate only to Israeli universities, hospitals and research facilities.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-67655910

If the testimony and then that doesn't lead to a sacking then I'm at a loss to figure out what might do.

So she said it’s ok to call for the genovide of Jewish people ‘in some circumstances’?!

Dear Lord!

That's only part of the picture. The presidents of Harvard, MIT, and UPenn all gave evidence and what they said was pretty in line. And if the House Committee had got in all of the presidents from all of the US universities, it's likely that plenty more would have agreed with them.

This is the inheritance of sucking up Critical Theories like a sponge and dividing the world in a reductive and binary model of oppressors and the oppressed.

I think they might try to argue it's a free speech thing. But that holds no water when they're happy to shut down anyone who says things like 'Lia Thomas is a man'. No safe spaces for Jewish students.

This from the UPenn President. Doesn't say sorry but does manage to say that genocide of Jewish people is evil and that they need to update Penn's policies.

That's good. But I can't help be cynical. How can you not realise that calling for genocide, calling for murder, is just wrong. How can you hide behind ' well I was just thinking of our policies - I thought they were ok about calling for the murder of an entire group of people'' How can you have so lost your moral compass that you can hide behind policies to not condemn calls for genocide?

And she is clearly reading from an autocue.

Even in America free speech does not allow you to call for people to be murdered.

A federal appeals court has ruled that Donald Trump can be sued in civil court for his role in allegedly inciting the riot on Capitol Hill in January 2021

Yes, it's interesting how those that profess to be anti-racists are incredibly racist in the way they treat women of colour. We've seen it with Badenoch and Braverman. Because they have the temerity to have views that don't align with purity progressives, they have their own minds and also have been incredibly successful, they're treated so badly and dehumanised. It's racist and misogynistic all at once.

It's racist to say any non-white woman should support Hamas and should show no sympathy to Israel and if she does have the temerity to have her own opinions then she's fascist and right-wing (i.e. dehumanised).

Women of all colours are full human beings and can make up their own minds. There is no one way to think depending on your skin colour. Purity progressives don't seem to see them that way.

I've decided I'm going to use the term 'purity progressives' to stand in for 'left wing' because there's nothing really left wing about the thought police people. Mostly they don't seem to care much about working class people, people on zero hours contracts etc. and people struggling to survive in a cost of living crisis.

I can't believe those US universities - yes, it's like seeing how people went along with Hitler absolutely.

I think calling for people to be murdered should always breach University codes of conduct, however in this case it's particularly clear. It's a bit like saying it's a 'free speech issue' for those who supported the death camps actually during WWII.

People who supported Hitler before he started being a genocidal maniac and was pretending to be a reasonable politician, fine, we can all be hoodwinked by madmen, but once there are actual Jewish people being killed in terrorist atrocities I think calling for the murder of Jews AS IT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING elsewhere is a pretty clear threat to all Jewish students on campus who will be quite reasonably scared.

If I was a parent of a Jewish student I think I'd be demanding a refund and taking my child out to go elsewhere, even if they did have to start their degree again. How can they continue when senior management have effectively condoned the behaviour of those calling for death to all Jews? And tried to 'it depends on context' it.

It's unbelievable - the Holocaust really wasn't that long ago.

Fantasyanswer · Today 18:00

This from the UPenn President. Doesn't say sorry but does manage to say that genocide of Jewish people is evil and that they need to update Penn's policies.

I'm 100% certain that if one of them called for the genocide of, for example, the Jamaicans, they'd be out on their ear and possibly under arrest.

Actually the more I think of that non-apology from the President of UPenn the more it annoys me.

She doesn't admit she got it wrong, or expresses sorrow, or regret for the offence and hurt caused by what she said.
She hides behind ' our polices need to be updated for the complicated modern situation.' Well, genocide is not modern. Anti-semitism is not modern. Saying its wrong to call for genocide is not a complicated moral issue.

I'm actually more disgusted with her when I think about what she actually said.

What sort of human needs an autocue put in front of them before they can bring themselves to say the words ' genocide is evil' and then pretends enforcing this is complicated modern issue that needs new policies for this brave new world?!

As another congressman points out, a lecturer at one of the three universities had to resign her post for saying sex is binary and biological! (not sure if it was UPenn)

Brave defenders of (murder-calling) free speech that they are!

Are you thinking of Carole Hooven of Harvard who wrote the book "Testosterone" about the hormone's effects on male and female physiology and was constructively pushed out by the university's harassment.
It's like the Middle Ages in science denial and Jew hatred.

Fantasyanswer · Today 18:20

As another congressman points out, a lecturer at one of the three universities had to resign her post for saying sex is binary and biological! (not sure if it was UPenn) Brave defenders of (murder-calling) free speech that they are!

That case rings a bell. It's totally arse about face, isn't it? I'm not a fan of cancelling, but she and the others who've called for genocide really need to be excluded from public life.

It's like the Middle Ages in science denial and Jew hatred.

It really is.

To be clear these leaders of Universities have not themselves called for genocide, but they have refused to condemn calling for genocide of Jews and sat smirking whilst saying this. It's about as blatantly anti-semitic as you could be in that job, which is largely a political job.

They are so out of touch with basic decency it's untrue.

I hope they lose their jobs. I hope parents (the ones paying the fees) rise up against the totalitarian cesspits of science denial and Jew hatred these Universities clearly are.

I am sure there are many wondering why on earth they would pay such large sums for their children to be brainwashed into such fundamentally warped ways of thinking.

It really does remind me of books I've read which are real time descriptions of what happened in Nazi Germany, right before the point where the Nazis were really open about their genocide of Jews when, to many (but not to others) there was still plausible deniability about the horror of what was happening and a lot of people saying 'well, it's not going to get any worse, it can't" sort of thing. Where people were scared of the consequences of speaking an opinion which did not comply with Nazi orthodoxy but not quite yet scared of actually being murdered for opinions that didn't comply.

Apart from anything else - with this attitude of senior leaders on video, students who simply support Jewish people will feel scared of speaking out. Since it's all dependent on 'context' they can probably cancel you and destroy your life as student based on a subjective decision your values don't "align" with theirs.

I am sure there are many wondering why on earth they would pay such large sums for their children to be brainwashed into such fundamentally warped ways of thinking.
I told a young student, not Jewish who is appalled by what is happening, in a serious STEM program to go to grad school in Israel. He said either that or Singapore. I can feel the imminent rush of Jewish donors to fund higher institutions in Israel.

UK universities have some serious issues too

'On October 7th while Hamas slaughtered civilians in Israel, the Co director of the London School of Economics Human Rights programme tweeted "decolonisation is not a metaphor" and urged her followers to demonstrate outside the Israeli embassy.'

"decolonisation is not a metaphor" and urged her followers to demonstrate outside the Israeli embassy.'

I remember this. Utterly disgusting. ' decolonisation is not a metaphor' is explicitly supporting the murder of children, women and men as a positive action. Is she being prosecuted for a hate crime? And if not, why not?

The fact that she apparently posted this on 7th October is mind boggling and shows the morals of these people

Yes what she says has horrific implications. Especially as she posted it when the pogrom was all over the press. It means she supports these vile murders and rapists and their actions.

I see we are still not discussing the rapes and instead are on right wing feminism.

We've seen it with Badenoch and Braverman. Because they have the temerity to have views that don't align with purity progressives, they have their own minds and also have been incredibly successful, they're treated so badly and dehumanised. It's racist and misogynistic all at once.
It's not racism or misogyny to disagree with Braverman and Badenoch. Feminism doesn't mean "supporting everything that women said". Both Badenoch and Baderman espouse policies that will harm women. They can and should be challenged on that regardless of their ethnicity and sex.

You can call me a "purity progressive" if you like, I actually prefer that to "left wing" because "purity progressive" means nothing while "left wing" is factually incorrect in my case.

I'm not ashamed of standing up for human rights for all humans so its no skin off my nose.

@AdamRyan there is a lot of discussion of antisemitism, which may be the cause of some of the reactions to 7 Oct.

would you like to respond to my post to you?

pronounsbundlebundle · Today 19:28

Apart from anything else - with this attitude of senior leaders on video, students who simply support Jewish people will feel scared of speaking out. Since it's all dependent on 'context' they can probably cancel you and destroy your life as student based on a subjective decision your values don't "align" with theirs.

I agree that Jewish students must feel scared of speaking out, and isolated and scared.

Regarding your next point, that they might get cancelled if they say anything not aligning with the pro-Palestinian view, you may be right, but in the case of the students who wrote the letter blaming Israel for the Hamas attack, it is they who have had their futures blocked - and even their families affected.

Excerpt from the New York Times :

A coalition of more than 30 student groups posted an open letter on the night of the Hamas attack, saying that Israel was “entirely responsible” for the violence that ended up killing more than 1,400 people, most of them civilians.

The letter, posted on social media before the extent of the killings was known, did not include the names of individual students.

But within days, students affiliated with those groups were being doxxed, their personal information posted online. Siblings back home were threatened. Wall Street executives demanded a list of student names to ban their hiring. And a truck with a digital billboard — paid for by a conservative group — circled Harvard Square, flashing student photos and names, under the headline, “Harvard’s Leading Antisemites.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/18/us/harvard-students-israel-hamas-doxxing.html

The article is quite long and interesting to read. The whole letter in question is not there however so you can’t find out all of what the students wrote.

The article was free for some reason this time.

Personally I would say that poster is commenting on the way people try to dictate what some groups of women should think So very on point for a feminist board thread

In light of what happened during the pogrom to women and what is happening to women in Gaza highlighting that that all women should be allowed to have a voice and idiots should not dictate what they say seems very appropriate for a thread on rape

Maybe someone just wants to hear the horrific details of the torture, sexual assaults and rapes. We most be disappointed him.

No idea why some people can't read and digest information in a post but apparently they can't or have not bothered to read anything they are tagging

Maybe someone just wants to hear the horrific details of the torture, sexual assaults and rapes. We must be disappointed them. No wonder they keep complaining we about the conversation.