New statistics realised of reported murders of trans people

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Thought I would post this, as it is a question that comes up on occassions.

Globally, at least 320 trans and gender-diverse people were reported murdered between 1 October 2022 and 30 September 2023.

Globally, 48% of murdered trans people whose occupation is known were sex workers. That figure jumps to more than three-quarters - some 78% - in Europe.

On the continent as well as in the wider global community, racism-motivated murders have risen 15% from last year - up 65% in 2022 to 80% now.

The vast majority of victims identified as trans women or trans feminine people and most of the murdered people were under 25 years old.

At a time of significant conflict globally, the fact that 45% of trans people reported murdered in Europe were migrants or refugees is especially stark.

TGEU say the data surrounding the murders suggest there are concerning trends when it comes to the intersections of misogyny, racism, xenophobia, and whorephobia.

The majority of victims were Black and trans women of colour, and trans sex workers - many killed in Europe were migrants or refugees too.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/trans-murders-remain-consistently-high-052004682.html

It's very convenient for certain types of men that the clear dangers of working as a prostitute have been deliberately fudged, isn't it?

Could you explain how you got to those numbers please?

Where is this word used please?

It's in the OP. A quote from the report.

The total number of homicides globally is getting towards half a million. - This is widely quoted on the Internet.

320 trans people - This subject of this thread.

0.064% of the victims were trans - 320 divided by half a million expressed as a percentage.

We're often told that about 0.3% of the (Western countries) population are trans. - This is widely quoted on the Internet.

What do you mean by "only a major event over here"?

Oh thanks. I did a word search in the report but for some reason it didn't pick the word up and I wondered whether it had been edited but now I see it is there.

Isn't "whore" a slur? I can't get my head round the idea that we are supposed to say "sex worker" rather than "prostitute", but the word "whore" is apparently OK.

It looks like the word prostitute has been queered.

It's a hamfisted attempt to reclaim the slur.

It's bizarre that the headline on that Yahoo article is "Trans murders remain at ‘consistently high level’ as Trans Awareness Week begins" when it would be more accurate to say, based on those figures, that reported trans murders remain at a remarkably low level.

Having said that, the article does go on to say:

"Their data does not include all reported cases worldwide. The reason? Not all trans and gender-diverse murder victims are identified as such in reports of their death.
"The high number of murder reports out of Latin America and the Caribbean are, TGEU says, easily attributed to the existence of established monitoring systems in these regions.
"The majority of the data used by the organisation came from countries with strong networks of trans and LGBTI organisations that conduct the monitoring."

The truth is that the real numbers are probably much higher. However, there are two problems collating those numbers. One is that national datasets don't identify victims by their trans status, so you're reliant (as the article says) on pressure groups monitoring the numbers through eg newspaper reports.

The other problem, of course, is that there is no clear, uncontestable definition of the term "trans." How do we know if someone is trans or not? If we assume that a trans person is anyone who says they're trans, we don't get very far.

Doesn't it just! Whorephobia! FFS.

@RoyalCorgi I had a conversation with a bloke about this once. It went like this.

Me: I just don't believe that the murders of trans people are going unreported in the UK.
Him: Of course they are. Many trans murder victims are not identified as trans in the statistics.
Me: How? The police are constantly out waving trans flags and investigating "transphobic stickers". Some police forces have erroneously tweeted that misgendering is a hate crime. Are you seriously suggesting that when a trans person calls them to report stickers or misgendering they take it seriously but when a trans person actually winds up dead they misgender them and deadname them and record them in the statistics according to their birth sex? That doesn't make sense.
Him: The police don't know whether a dead person was trans.
Me: Huh? You think that the police are capable of investigating someone's murder, which will involve interviewing their friends, family and employer and combing through all their communications including their phone, social media and internet history, would not realise the victim was trans?
Him: Not all trans people are out. Their family and employer might not have known they were trans.
Me: What about their friends? The trans community is pretty close knit. Wouldn't they be super vocal about the murder of one of their own?
Him: They might not be out to anyone, including their friends.
Me: So... their family doesn't know they are trans. Their employer doesn't know they are trans. Their friends don't know they are trans. The police officer investigating their murder who has full access to all their devices doesn't know they are trans. How does their murderer know they are trans?
Him: The murderer might not know either.
Me: So what does their murder have to do with them being trans?

The truth is that the real numbers are probably much higher.

That's the case for everyone. In Latin America, lots of people just disappear.

This list also has several people on it who died in a shootout with the police, and someone who was killed when a truck "failed to stop at an intersection". In the past, they've been called out for including some suicides.

So I'm not sure whether it will be "much higher" in a relative sense, we have no way of knowing.

As I said below when I quoted the section you quoted, it seems like they are trying to insinuate that the only reason that the murder rates are so high in Latin America compared to the rest of the world is because they are better at monitoring. I think that's a huge reach. Those countries are dangerous for everyone, and the trans murder rate is always less than the general population, or other males, in every set of figures I've seen. And in countries like the U.K and Ireland there are virtually no murders of trans people at all. Scotland for instance hasn't had one in decades (possibly never one recorded there at all, o can't remember)

Also if no one actually knows people identify as "trans" to notify the police etc, then it's much less likely that their murder is due to transphobia. A lot of this is more homophobia than anything else.

From the article.

The vast majority of victims identified as trans women or trans feminine people and most of the murdered people were under 25 years old.

Young men, then. The same group who are at increased risk of death by murder.

Why should I interpret this data in terms of gender identity and not sex? What evidence is there that the higher murder rate among young trans-identifying males is purely due to transphobia, and not any of the other reasons why young men get murdered?

Why should I interpret this data in terms of gender identity and not sex?

The correct comparator for a "trans woman" is a male of the same race. And consistently males who are transgender/gender incongruent have a lesser rate of homicide than other members of the same race and sex, at least in the US.

They also have a considerably lower murder rate than the general population in the US.

https://www.queermajority.com/currents/tdor-trans-death-and-trans-life

This is from a few years ago, a trans identifying person went through the figures and found issues with the way trans murders are presented, and even with the people who are claimed dead from 'anti-trans violence'. For example, the people listed as murdered from 'anti-trans violence' included someone who died of natural causes while flying.

I half expected them to include Audrey Hale, thankfully they didn't, although as I said they did include a couple of other people committing crimes who were killed by the police in a shootout.

Whorephobia’??!

God, your ideology really is disgusting isn’t it? Could you make your hatred of women clearer? Even when you are trying to be all pseudo academic, you just can’t stop the woman hatred leaking out, can you?

Very good to have data on this and it's not obscured by insisting TWAW and lumping the two together.
I would be very interested to see data on who is killing them as
well.

It must be gangs of GC women marauding around the favelas of Brazil.

Margot - I'm sure you're right about the statistics in the UK. But worldwide, I think the statistics must be extremely unreliable. Probably homicide statistics in general, but the trans subset in particular.

I'm sure I recall a thread sometime back where it was argued convincingly with stats that over a period of several years, in the UK, there were more trans people in prison for murder than trans victims of murder in the same period. (But the numbers were v small, of course)

Yes, I believe it's still the case, though the numbers are tiny. But trans rights activists can't expect to have their cake and eat it that the tiny number of murders is significant but the tiny number of murders they perpetrate is not.

Isn't it the case that men who want to murder will often choose prostitutes because a) by definition they are going to have access to them (by "buying" them) and be able to be in a position to get them alone somewhere isolated (after all, no prostitute takes her punter to a crowded shopping mall), and b) they are already on the fringes of society - perhaps homeless and/or drug users - so they feel that they won't be pursued as much because society won't care so much about their murder? The murderer may not even know that the person they've picked up is trans, they just want to kill and the person's trans status is incidental.

Throw in the potential for an angry punter to find that the "woman" they've purchased is no such thing and it seems that there would automatically be a big cross-over between murder and prostitution. The figures don't seem to pick that apart.