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New statistics realised of reported murders of trans people

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IwantToRetire · 14/11/2023 00:58

Thought I would post this, as it is a question that comes up on occassions.

Globally, at least 320 trans and gender-diverse people were reported murdered between 1 October 2022 and 30 September 2023.

Globally, 48% of murdered trans people whose occupation is known were sex workers. That figure jumps to more than three-quarters - some 78% - in Europe.

On the continent as well as in the wider global community, racism-motivated murders have risen 15% from last year - up 65% in 2022 to 80% now.

The vast majority of victims identified as trans women or trans feminine people and most of the murdered people were under 25 years old.

At a time of significant conflict globally, the fact that 45% of trans people reported murdered in Europe were migrants or refugees is especially stark.

TGEU say the data surrounding the murders suggest there are concerning trends when it comes to the intersections of misogyny, racism, xenophobia, and whorephobia.

The majority of victims were Black and trans women of colour, and trans sex workers - many killed in Europe were migrants or refugees too.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/trans-murders-remain-consistently-high-052004682.html

Trans murders remain at ‘consistently high level’ as Trans Awareness Week begins

Murders of trans and gender-diverse people were reported for the first time this year in Armenia, Belgium and Slovakia.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/trans-murders-remain-consistently-high-052004682.html

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Redebs · 14/11/2023 12:09

nauticant · 14/11/2023 08:44

Trans activists tend to get angry when presented with arguments suggesting that the relative risk faced by trans people is actually lower than the general population. One would think they'd welcome such news but for some reason they want the risk faced by trans people to be higher. One could almost form the impression that their activism isn't about making life better for trans people.

Exactly.

Just like the activists who keep insisting that young people who are 'deprived' of surgical or medical mutilation are 'likely to commit suicide'. They are hoping that youngsters will respond to the loosely-veiled call to self harm in the interests of the Cause.

These people don't care about the individuals themselves; it's just point-scoring. Disgusting!

PorcelinaV · 14/11/2023 12:16

With prostitution, are trans prostitutes at a higher risk than others? (Compared either against female or male prostitutes operating in similar circumstances.)

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/11/2023 12:44

I'm not sure, I don't think I have seen a figure for number of trans prostitutes anywhere, I can imagine it would be hard to get a reliable number.

Fififafa · 14/11/2023 13:18

Terfosaurus · 14/11/2023 08:48

Off the top of my head, nope. But of course there's reason for that. If the figures were accurately released no one could claim that the trans population are more at risk than anyone else.

It's wrong. Very wrong.

@Fififafa I didn't say it was trans related. Just that Brianna is the only trans person I'm aware of who was murdered in the UK.

Ok,fair enough. I just hate how quickly Brianna’s murder was linked to Transphobia when we don’t actually know the what the motives were.
We had Trans Activists rushing to claim this as proof of #TransGenocide, vigils by football clubs etc, when tragically there are many teenagers knifed to death and we rarely get the same reaction.
I guess we’ve always had the deserving and the undeserving in society.

Fififafa · 14/11/2023 13:21

SaffronSpice · 14/11/2023 09:00

And Brianna Grey was only one of the teenagers stabbed to death that week.

Exactly, but apparently Brianna’s stabbing was more worthy of media coverage 🙄

Fififafa · 14/11/2023 13:25

ArthurbellaScott · 14/11/2023 09:27

We can't as yet say it was murder, either. Until the court case is closed two people have been accused of murder but not yet tried. Please be careful about what is said when a case is yet to go to court.

Good point

turbonerd · 14/11/2023 13:27

If 48% of 320 were known to be sex workers, that is at least 153 transwomen working as prostitutes killed.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/11/2023 13:46

If anyone wants to look at the tables for different years and compare, here they all are.

transrespect.org/en/research/tmm/

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/11/2023 13:51

This are subject to significant fluctuations in the small numbers which can considerably affect the rate, if you look at the tables year on year 51 trans people are reported as murdered in the US for the 2021/2 period, while 31 are reported for 2022/3.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/11/2023 13:51

*These are subjected

Sugarfree23 · 14/11/2023 13:54

I'm bemused at the idea of trans individuals working as sex workers, prostitutes.

I mean how does that even work?
The majority of clients are male, looking for a female hole, trans tend to lack the suitable hole.
Not all men would want to engage in what is essentially gay sex, putting their tackle into a poop hole. 🤔

Not saying it's right to murder anyone but I can see how certain males could become enraged when they realise they've been had.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/11/2023 13:58

Not all men do, but some do. Many men are essentially bisexual but married to women. Some know what they are getting, and with some it's not necessarily obvious until it comes down to sexual intercourse.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/11/2023 13:59

Especially in countries in Asia and Latin America where MTF are more likely to be feminine-presenting gay males, than the types we are used to in the U.K.

lordloveadog · 14/11/2023 14:00

Sex buyers are a particularly murderous demographic.

That's all these stats show.

And we know it already but since trans activists are also desperate to promote men's rights to buy sex, it's not the conclusion they draw.

nauticant · 14/11/2023 14:00

You only have to look at the massive increase in searching in the porn catergory of "trans" to see that there will be considerable demand. This has been going on for years.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/11/2023 14:01

And we know it already but since trans activists are also desperate to promote men's rights to buy sex, it's not the conclusion they draw.

Quite.

RoyalCorgi · 14/11/2023 14:05

There's a lot of complexity around trying to compare murder rates of trans and non-trans prostitutes, largely because the data isn't collated.

I did find an interesting piece of academic research about prostitute murders in the UK. In a 26-year period, 110 sex workers (ie prostitutes) were murdered while engaging in sex work. Another 70 sex workers were murdered during that period, but not while engaged in sex work.

Note that of the 110 victims, 105 were women, two were men and three were trans (I assume m2f). Here's the pertinent bit from the website:

As part of a Wellcome Trust funded project reviewing the occupational risks of sex workers compared to those in other “risky” professions, my colleagues Dr Lucy Platt, Stewart Cunningham, Pippa Grenfell and Dr PG Macioti and I analysed a database of sex worker homicides in the UK between 1990 and 2016. The data are curated by National Ugly Mugs, a reporting mechanism for crimes against sex workers. In the absence of a comprehensive police database, we believe that it may be the most accurate existing resource for understanding these extreme crimes. Of the 180 victims in the database, we classified 110 as known occupational homicide cases – that is to say, they were murdered while engaging in sex work.
We found that women accounted for the clear majority of victims (105), with only two male and three trans victims. Overall, the vast majority of victims (85) were also street-based sex workers.
This trend remained consistent during the decades 1990-1999 and 2000-2009 even when total number of reported homicides nearly doubled (from 28 between 1990-1999 to 50 in 2000-2010), reflecting the increased vulnerability of street-based sex workers.

https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/expert-opinion/sex-work-still-most-dangerous-profession-data-suggests-so

Is sex work still the most dangerous profession? The data suggests so | LSHTM

Romina Kalachi, a 32-year-old woman, was stabbed to death in her own home on May 29, 2017. She was killed in her flat in Kilburn, London and is the latest known sex worker to be murdered in the UK.

https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/expert-opinion/sex-work-still-most-dangerous-profession-data-suggests-so

Sugarfree23 · 14/11/2023 14:14

lordloveadog · 14/11/2023 14:00

Sex buyers are a particularly murderous demographic.

That's all these stats show.

And we know it already but since trans activists are also desperate to promote men's rights to buy sex, it's not the conclusion they draw.

Yip and some probably particularly enraged when the appropriate hole isn't available.

It really tells you nothing.

NoMoreRedWineforFreda · 14/11/2023 14:16

Fififafa · 14/11/2023 13:18

Ok,fair enough. I just hate how quickly Brianna’s murder was linked to Transphobia when we don’t actually know the what the motives were.
We had Trans Activists rushing to claim this as proof of #TransGenocide, vigils by football clubs etc, when tragically there are many teenagers knifed to death and we rarely get the same reaction.
I guess we’ve always had the deserving and the undeserving in society.

We don’t yet know anything about the two accused except they are a ‘girl and a boy aged 16’.

For all we know, one, or even both, are trans themselves.

There has been one other recent murder, in NI in 2022, that transactivists have claimed as a trans victim, but there is only one photo of the victim in gothy make up, and all his family call him by his birthname, Aidan Mann, and use male pronouns.

He had an alter ego name on social media (Zen Black) but it’s not a female sounding name and it was his professional name (it’s not uncommon for tattooers to have a sort of ‘stage name’).

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/funeral-of-man-stabbed-in-downpatrick-to-be-a-celebration-of-all-the-good-things-he-stood-for/41218499.html

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/aidan-mann-man-admits-killing-26802643.amp

The perpetrator was suffering a serious psychiatric illness and Aidan just happened to be wrong place, wrong time. The perp pled guilty so it wasn’t much of a news story (it’s generally the trial reports that garner attention to a murder case).

Funeral of man stabbed in Downpatrick to be a ‘celebration of all the good things he stood for’

Funeral details of a tattoo artist who was stabbed to death in broad daylight in Downpatrick earlier this week have been released on social media.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/funeral-of-man-stabbed-in-downpatrick-to-be-a-celebration-of-all-the-good-things-he-stood-for/41218499.html

NoMoreRedWineforFreda · 14/11/2023 14:20

Here’s a couple of different trans activists claiming Aidan’s death for their Trans Day of Remembrance stats last year:

https://tdor.translivesmatter.info/reports/2022/01/03/zen-black_downpatrick-county-down-northern-ireland-united-kingdom_29ec035e

New statistics realised of reported murders of trans people
New statistics realised of reported murders of trans people
Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/11/2023 14:21

Yes I had looked him up too, when I read the 2022 table.

SidewaysOtter · 14/11/2023 14:21

We had Trans Activists rushing to claim this as proof of #TransGenocide, vigils by football clubs etc, when tragically there are many teenagers knifed to death and we rarely get the same reaction.

Absolutely.

<side eye at relative who posted all over FB that they were attending various Brianna vigils>

NoMoreRedWineforFreda · 14/11/2023 14:31

There is a really moving video on the ITV website that is a series of images with Aidan’s voice over.

He sounds like a gentle, creative soul, his poor mam, Sonya, must be devastated.

https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2023-07-04/his-life-cant-be-forgotten-familys-tribute-to-artist-as-killer-jailed

’His heart belonged at sea’

New statistics realised of reported murders of trans people
RoyalCorgi · 14/11/2023 14:31

I found this useful report on knife crime incidence in England and Wales:

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04304/SN04304.pdf

It says:

"In the year ending March 2022, Home Office data shows there were 261 homicides (currently recorded) using a sharp instrument, including knives and broken bottles. This meant sharp instruments were used in 40% of the 594 homicides that occurred in 2021/22."

It doesn't mention the number of victims who were young people. However, according to the Ben Kinsella trust, 99 of the victims were under 25. (It gives a higher figure of 282 for the number of stabbing victims in the same period.)

https://benkinsella.org.uk/knife-crime-statistics/

Knife Crime Statistics | The Ben Kinsella Trust

Learn about knife crime in England and Wales with our summary of knife crime and knife murder statistics and must read articles

https://benkinsella.org.uk/knife-crime-statistics

Circumferences · 14/11/2023 14:41

PorcelinaV · 14/11/2023 12:16

With prostitution, are trans prostitutes at a higher risk than others? (Compared either against female or male prostitutes operating in similar circumstances.)

Seeing as 99.9% of prostitute users are other males, you'd have thought a TW would have better physical defenses against being harmed on the job compared to women.

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