AIBU to ask why no one is shouting TMAM or wearing t shirts saying Adult Human Male?

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Is anyone pushing the TWAW even questioning why nobody's arguing about whether TMAM or why men are wearing "Adult Human Male" tops or being threatened and physically assaulted by trans men when they got to talks about protecting men's rights?

Nobody seems to notice or care that men aren't bothered in general by trans men because they are in essentially zero danger from them.

Why isn't this lack of TMAM ideology not talked about more?

No it isn’t, though, There are material facts about someone’s body-
for example- I have a particular type of genitalia (commonly called a vagina, vulva, whatever your choices of words). No (sane) trans person would deny the material existence of their different body parts- these are the facts we can all recognise and agree on,

Why do you think that you get to say this, when it is so deeply offensive and hurtful to trans men on the most personal of levels?

So do you believe that Rachel Dolezal had every right to be deeply hurt and offended when all the 'nasty' black people (who DID have the right to be deeply hurt and offended) promptly informed her that she was not black?

@Tandora ok love 👍.

There are material facts about someone’s body

So how is your saying that different from stating that something is a biological fact?

No denial of facts and biology here. Trans people are a (biological) fact.

Theres no biological basis for 'being trans', peope are born male or female and cannot change sex.

Transgenderism is a social phenomenon , if someone believes they are the opposite sex or gender, or neither or both, then, under transgenderism, they are.

Thats ok, anyone can believe anything about themselves. Its when people want everyone else to believe it and want social norms ignored and safeguarding disregarded, it becomes a problem.

We cant ignore safeguarding because men want to be seen as something they are not.

Toseland, how will I teach my eight year old child about reproduction? What will I tell they when they asks me how babies are made?

It's laughable that you, as a fully functioning adult (though I do wonder), doesn't seem to understand this.

She does understand it. She's not stupid.

The question is why is she so invested in lying about it?

Why do you think that you get to say this, when it is so deeply offensive and hurtful to trans men on the most personal of levels?

And “transwomen are women” is offensive to me.

@Tandora

This is a completely mad statement. What are you? A man or a woman?

Man and woman aren't gender identities, they are sex based terms. Always gave been.

Being trans is not the same thing as experiencing gender dysphoria. A person can be trans without being dysphoric. People can experience dysphoria without necessarily being trans

Yes I know, but I'm establishing the things for which we do and don't have evidence.

As for the rest of your post, I am not a transphobe, I just disagree with your ideological claims about reality. It isn't the same as sexual attraction. Exploratory therapy to understand why someone experiences gender dysphoria isn't conversion therapy.

Wrong. There is no biology that supports trans. No one can change sex. Ask any Biologist.

People with all sorts of issues and illnesses exist, it doesn't make it credible.

*Why do you think that you get to say this, when it is so deeply offensive and hurtful to trans men on the most personal of levels?
You are telling someone else who they are. *

Because it's TRUE! No one can change sex. No one has an obligation to deny TRUTH to someone who gets hurt over MOTHER NATURE.

Likewise but in Tandora's world we don't count, we can be deeply offended and hurt on the most personal of levels and they couldn't give a toss. It is marvellous this tolerance, respect and inclusivity they spout but never actually implement, so stunning, so brave so fucking hypocritical.

Yes. This exactly. @Tandora . Is Rachel Dolezal a Trans Racial woman? If not, why not? What's the difference.

Being gay is not an “ideology” or “belief” about oneself, it is not a mental illness, it is not something that can be “cured”, it is rarely a choice; it’s a fundamental part of who someone is. Absolutely the same is true of being trans .

And yet, we keep seeing these transwomen who only seem to arrive at their true selves after conviction! 😛Oh, they're not 'real' transwomen, you say? Then how do we tell the difference? In law, like?

Absolutely the same is true of being trans

Why is this just a given in your eyes? They aren't the same thing.

Can you even define what being trans is? What differentiates it from gender non conformity?

People with all sorts of issues and illnesses exist, it doesn't make it credible.

This. Gender identity ideology is a belief system. You can't force people to adopt your own belief system. Not without the Inquisition anyway, and they still don't actually believe in it, they're just too scared to say.

I wonder if we shall get evidence that people can change sex on this thread? That would be rather exciting. Some new evidence to read that indeed people can change sex and therefore the conventions that have dictated language usage for centuries should then be changed to reflect that evidence.

Otherwise, some groups can choose to change the language they use, but unfortunately for them they cannot force society to change the language that the rest of us use and choose to use. It is frustrating for them I am sure, and they keep attempting to shame people into using their chosen language structure.

But yes, people can deny that 'man' and 'woman' are 'gender' terms because that are descriptor terms used for sex categories and sex categories only. It is only in some people's belief's that they wish to also incorporate 'gender' in those terms which then makes them meaningless for use in policy and law.

It is a bit like the words 'tolerance', 'kindness', and 'compassion'. These too have been made meaningless because some people use them when they really mean the exact opposite to the original intention.

I think it is also good to remember that Queer Theory is all about destabilising language and society to suit the theory's supporter's political agenda. It is indeed a belief system even though some people try to tell us that it is well established in science that people can change sex, and that there is evidence that child and adolescent medical treatments for gender dysphoria have been proven to be effective.

I look forward to people's posts being supported by evidence. We LOVE evidence on this board!!!!

From the OP Nobody seems to notice or care that men aren't bothered in general by trans men because they are in essentially zero danger from them.

Nobody is bothered to notice that men aren't bothered? Funny old world.

I'm pleased that we have all flavours of MRA here, @sawdustformypony

We would usually only be inconvenienced if we needed a crap. Unless the women all used Shewees.

i think most GC people's views on TMAM is that it's very, very silly but essentially victimless [other than, especially at the lower end of the age spectrum, the TM themselves] so, hey, live and let live.

I have a trans child, and I agree with Theeyeballs. My son is male; his wish to be female and his dresses don’t make him a woman. The only prerequisite of being a ‘trans woman’ is being a man.

The large majority of males that transition are bottom of the heap males. Take sports, it's always the middle ranks at best, no hope of glory crowd. In female spaces they get dominance they never had in male spaces. That's why they left, for pastures greener to colonise.

The remaining male population doesn't give a fuck about the FtMs.
Straight men aren't interested in them.
Gay men aren't interested in them.
They are no threat no matter how they present, if they step out of line in male spaces they know they face danger.
There's a small and seedy bunch of men with a range of fringe fetishes who are interested.

In the men's toilets the men are the dominant ones even if you forced the males in dresses back in.
In the women's toilets the males in dresses are the dominant ones.
The males are always dominant in every environment, but it's realtive. In male spaces it's the males who are dominant over the lesser males. In females spaces it's the lesser males who are dominant over the females.

The lesser males in females spaces don't care what females think as long as they do what they are told. e.g. cotton ceiling, lebians who don't do dick are sexual racists, female sports, etc....

My view is that it is still transwomen who are being deferred to when terms are changed etc. This level of institutional capture could never be achieved by women (however they identify).

If cervical cancer only affects women, then TW are NOT women. If it affects “anyone with a cervix” then perhaps TW can be women.

Of course TW don’t want anyone to remember that 90%+ keep their penis, so therefore “penis havers” and “people with testicles” is not a thing for male conditions, lest we remember that this group includes TW (who everyone will then remember are not women).