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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Caster Semenya on BBC1 now

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Davros · 07/11/2023 08:51

I had to turn off

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AInightingale · 08/11/2023 16:44

'the deciding factor has always been about seizing the opportunities that running as a woman have offered, and that Caster has chosen to live the lie and enjoy the fame and fortune this has brought.'

Exactly, and I find people's naivety around this frustrating. Many folk aren't 'nice' and transparent. A lot of integrity is bogus. People want to get rich, others may want to do nefarious things. They create a persona and operate behind it, whether it's a fetishistic male wanting to get into women's spaces, a politician who is only out for themselves, the 'naice' Captain Moore family, etc. We've had decades of revelations about such things and yet people continue to take human beings at face value. Elite sport is very lucrative, Caster took advantage of the regulations while he still could, then doubled down when they were tightened up, with the predicable assistance of the genderwank brigade who decided to get outraged on his behalf.

Ladiesssss · 08/11/2023 17:22

Please stop calling her him, it is so so ignorant.

Helleofabore · 08/11/2023 17:25

Ladiesssss · 08/11/2023 17:22

Please stop calling her him, it is so so ignorant.

Please stop telling posters what they can and cannot say. it is so so ignorant.

Ladiesssss · 08/11/2023 17:26

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Ladiesssss · 08/11/2023 17:27

Helleofabore · 08/11/2023 17:25

Please stop telling posters what they can and cannot say. it is so so ignorant.

You’ve been telling me what I should think throughout.

Helleofabore · 08/11/2023 17:27

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About that abuse I mentioned.... there it is right there.

Ladiesssss · 08/11/2023 17:28

Helleofabore · 08/11/2023 17:27

About that abuse I mentioned.... there it is right there.

Yes because I handed that to you, you couldn’t give exames earlier because there were none.

Ladiesssss · 08/11/2023 17:28

Examples

TheClogLady · 08/11/2023 17:30

Helleofabore · 08/11/2023 17:27

About that abuse I mentioned.... there it is right there.

Best to scroll past, Helle

Helleofabore · 08/11/2023 17:31

Ladiesssss · 08/11/2023 17:27

You’ve been telling me what I should think throughout.

No. I have been telling you the facts of the status of Caster Semenya's sex and their medical health condition that was completely relevant for this discussion.

I have already said to you that you should feel free to report any posts that you feel were not up to the standard that you demand. I have also said you were completely free to use whatever pronouns and logic that you wished. However, you are posting on a public forum, and your posts are abusive so you should expect push back from others.

I repeat for clarity. You are free to think anything you like. You are not free to keep abusing posters for not agreeing with your view of the world.

viques · 08/11/2023 17:32

Ladiesssss · 08/11/2023 17:22

Please stop calling her him, it is so so ignorant.

If Caster wants to be seen as a woman then he needs to stop dressing and acting like a man. If he wants respect he needs to give respect . Saying female athletes who can’t beat him need to train harder is not respectful. Saying his elevated testosterone has not helped him to beat female athletes is both ignorant and disrespectful.

Did you see my hypothetical question upthread about whether you think Caster would currently call himself a woman if he had not been tempted to do so by the promise of material success and had instead chosen to live his life in obscurity not in the limelight of international accolade?

Ladiesssss · 08/11/2023 17:33

I have reported your posts, the nasty ones and had some removed.

Ive asked for examples of my so called abuse and you’ve been unable to provide. Until now.

Helleofabore · 08/11/2023 17:33

Ladiesssss · 08/11/2023 17:28

Yes because I handed that to you, you couldn’t give exames earlier because there were none.

Most of your posts here have been abusive. You have consistently called posters disgusting and the posts on this thread disgusting. I am quite glad that you at least admit that your post to me was abusive.

We are obviously getting somewhere.

Can you confirm that you acknowledge that Semenya is, in fact, a male athlete?

shall we start there so your time here can be spent having dialogue that is not revolving around abusing posters?

Ladiesssss · 08/11/2023 17:36

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Ladiesssss · 08/11/2023 17:36

She is not male.

HipTightOnions · 08/11/2023 17:39

Why do you think this though?

Lots of people have explained why (they think) he is male.

Helleofabore · 08/11/2023 17:39

Ladiesssss · 08/11/2023 17:36

She is not male.

Caster Semenya is a male athlete and 5ARD a DSD that only can effect males.

Would you like more prove?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 08/11/2023 17:45

i wondering if it’s time for that Jane Austen quote

“You have delighted us long enough”

I’m bored now.

Helleofabore · 08/11/2023 17:47

Ladiesssss · 08/11/2023 17:28

Examples

I think you will that they have all been deleted.

You have many deletions.

Helleofabore · 08/11/2023 17:49

I am hoping that Ladiesss can start having a discussion with us. And maybe provide some evidence that we have missed.

I am hopeful and optimistic that we can do this.

TempestTost · 08/11/2023 17:54

TBH I think elite sports are just a cess-pit of corruption all round. I don't know that their redeeming features come anywhere near making up for that.

JanesLittleGirl · 08/11/2023 18:01

Ding! Ding! Round 3! No kicking. No gouging. No punching below the belt.

DecayedStrumpet · 08/11/2023 18:06

Let's flip it around...

Ladiessss, do you think CS is biologically female?

ApocalipstickNow · 08/11/2023 18:07
comeback anyone GIF

I can’t hear “ignorant” now without hearing Trey Parker (I think) impersonating Michael Jackson.

BreatheAndFocus · 08/11/2023 18:17

Trying to follow your logic, Ladiesssss, you think that Caster should not run in female sporting events but should also not be referred to as male? You said you believed a TW should not take part in female sporting events, so I presume you think Caster shouldn’t either? So your only beef is that people are calling Caster male?

I agree. Many people are referring to Caster as male but, to me, that’s for good reasons - that is, to point out the correct facts. The media was full of stories about Caster just being a woman with high testosterone, implying that Caster had been unfairly singled out. Caster themselves says that they are a different kind of woman. That has led people to wrong conclusions.

The facts are that Caster wasn’t banned from competing in certain events because they were a ‘different woman’, they were banned because they have a male body which produces normal male amounts of testosterone and which responds to testosterone. Caster can refer to themselves as a woman, but for sporting events we must look at their sex - just like when you said that TW shouldn’t take part in female sporting events.

If that incorrect and purposely deceptive narrative about Caster being a woman with high testosterone hasn’t been spread, then Caster’s male sex wouldn’t need emphasising so much. In addition, this narrative is repeated in Caster’s book so responses are counteracting that by explaining Caster’s specific DSD is only present in males.

Caster only got her Female birth certificate in her late teens. I believe (this is my opinion not a fact) that initially Caster was seen as female when very young, but as she grew (Caster mentions age 5) it became apparent that Caster was not a girl. Caster’s own Headteacher said they thought Caster was male; Caster wore the male uniform; Caster wore swimming trunks and went topless in their teens. People with Caster’s DSD have a normal male puberty. Call me cynical, but I think someone persuaded Caster that the ‘convenience’ of her DSD and differences would open the doors to sporting success because Caster could be registered as female and compete in female sporting events.