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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Caster Semenya on BBC1 now

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Davros · 07/11/2023 08:51

I had to turn off

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TheDogthatDug · 07/11/2023 08:55

Hubby is telling me to calm down.

Iamnotapotato · 07/11/2023 08:58

They present themselves in a very masculine way.

Iamnotapotato · 07/11/2023 08:59

Claiming that testosterone doesn’t make any difference and if it did why aren’t they winning mens races (you’re not that great maybe but even mediocre men can beat women)

impossibletoday · 07/11/2023 09:04

Davros · 07/11/2023 08:51

I had to turn off

Ditto

GingerRuby · 07/11/2023 09:08

Having internal testicles does not make them any less of a woman apparently

Kallikrates · 07/11/2023 09:11

Ahhh yes, cryptorchidism... that common female problem...

Something we've all struggled with... right? 🙄

MushroomQueen · 07/11/2023 09:38

Hi

MushroomQueen · 07/11/2023 09:38

I may be being a bit dumb, probably am, but can we not define male and female by chromosomes XY and XX?

fufulina · 07/11/2023 09:39

Did you read Janice Turner’s review of Caster’s biography? Was in Saturdays times. Brilliant and very instructive.

BodegaSushi · 07/11/2023 09:46

I love this description on Semanya's Wiki page 🥲

Saw the interview too. Basically 'I always preferred to play with and dress like other males, I have no womb and do instead have internal testicles, but I'm a woman'. Said in a very deep voice.

Caster Semenya on BBC1 now
Lifeinlists · 07/11/2023 09:49

Caster is going to be on Times Radio this pm. After 3 I think with Jane and Fi. They are both noticeably 'biological sex only matters if we say so' so it could be a bit one-sided.

GardenCherisher · 07/11/2023 10:03

MushroomQueen · 07/11/2023 09:38

I may be being a bit dumb, probably am, but can we not define male and female by chromosomes XY and XX?

Almost all of the time.

I know of (only) two types of XY DSD where treating the XY person as male could be seen as counterproductive:

Swyer Syndrome, where the genes are XY but development skews female so much that some people have a womb (but not ovaries, just streak gonads that aren't good as ovaries or testes) and some with the condition have given birth after egg donation. When someone's pregnant it's hard to say "the special conditions for women don't apply" - although they won't have suffered from periods or the worry of unwanted pregnancy (or menopause).

CAIS - complete androgen insensitivity syndrome. From the outside look female (albeit maybe taller and less curvy than average) but when puberty fails to come along, eventually the kid gets taken to the doctor and they find out - no womb, no ovaries, short vagina, no pubic or armpit hair.

I don't know of any other DSDs other than the above two where one would have such a real struggle about what the right thing to do is. Maybe other people know though.

I mean, one possibility would be to keep the women's divisions for XX people only and have a special DSD division in the Paralympics. HOWEVER there still seems to be a lot of unwarranted shame about having a DSD, about being different, so I don't know how that would work out. Would the chance to compete for your country help dispell the reluctance to be public about such differences?

PaleBlueMoonlight · 07/11/2023 10:04

Caster is on women's hour now.

Lolapusht · 07/11/2023 10:08

I missed the intro but heard a bit of it. Thought “No, they wouldn’t…it can’t be…” but it is! Such a hero in women’s sport!

Emmmaaaaaa! Nooooooo! “She/her”.

Caster has a very male sounding voice!

Wonder if it will be mentioned that the DSD Caster only occurs in men?

Im off to X 🤬🤬🤬

WinterTrees · 07/11/2023 10:08

PaleBlueMoonlight · 07/11/2023 10:04

Caster is on women's hour now.

Came to see if there was a thread.

Radio is a great medium for discussions around defining womanhood. Very illuminating.

RhannionKPSS · 07/11/2023 10:09

Castor is on Woman’s Hour now…

MagpiePi · 07/11/2023 10:10

Just listening to Woman's Hour - Emma B currently parroting the 'Semanya is a woman' line, but it will be interesting to see how hard she pushes on contentious issues. I'm guessing not at all considering what seems to be the accepted line that Semenya is a hard done by woman.

SausageAndEggSandwich · 07/11/2023 10:11

I've sent a complaint in about the BBC article

WinterTrees · 07/11/2023 10:12

'I know I'm a different kind of woman'

Portakalkedi · 07/11/2023 10:15

Can't be doing with that smug bandwagon-jumping presenter, so don't listen now she's back. What an insult to women that the one hour of radio a day devoted to women is used to promote individuals like this, who apparently lives as a man EXCEPT when it comes to beating actual women at sport.

Lolapusht · 07/11/2023 10:15

Didn’t know about this this high, ellivated tests…testosterone?! Really? No idea about male and female?

WickedSerious · 07/11/2023 10:16

WinterTrees · 07/11/2023 10:12

'I know I'm a different kind of woman'

Aye,the male kind.

happydappy2 · 07/11/2023 10:19

Womens Hour are an absolute joke-I thought for a moment it was April fools day.

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