Caster Semenya on BBC1 now

[Davros]

I had to turn off

Almost as if …. hmmm … 🤣

Nope. We just hate biological males unfairly taking what rightly beings to biologically females. Caster is male and should not be allowed to compete in female categories.

Nope,we just hate what this bloke has been allowed to get away with.

Caster is a man who has a DSD that only ever affects biological males. It is really simple. Caster has known this fact for years, yet continues to cheat in sport. Nobody should be pandering to this, least of all the BBC, which as an organisation seems to have lost its moral compass.

CS didn't need to "process" the news because CS already knew CS wasn't a woman.

How would going on the contraceptive pill prevent CS's testes from producing testosterone?

Yet Emily Maitlis can take Prince Andrew to bits for making absurd claims about his 'medical conditions' and make an utter fool of him. The BBC is very selective in how it seeks to interrogate dodgy narratives, and I bet they won't 'fact check' this one.

5 ARD boys can develop almost normally at puberty (just less facial and body hair).

In the Dominican Republic it’s called ‘Penis at 12 syndrome’

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34290981.amp

https://www.livescience.com/52247-guevedoces-girls-boys.html

It’s entirely possible that Caster has been a fully functioning male since puberty, when 5 ARD boys testicles often descend naturally and a penis develops from what was previously ambiguous looking genitalia (but we don’t need to know about Caster’s genitals to be able to state that XY chromosomes + testes internal or external = too male for the female sporting category).

‘Estrogen monotherapy’ in male transsexuals can override the function of the testicles.

However, that takes high doses of cross sex hormones, not the dosage in the contraceptive pill.

I suppose the pill might be enough to impede one’s testes functioning at their very best? Certainly not enough to shut them off tho.

From the Times article.

What a mystery as to why 🙄

Quite.

I don’t ‘hate difference’, but I do intensely dislike blatant cheats.

Another shockingly unscientific article from the BBC - the one about the Dominican Republic.

They are not girls who turn into boys, they're boys with a DSD. If they have an operation, they do not "stay female". They were not female, they are male and an operation cannot change your sex.

You are not "neither" male nor female in the first few weeks of life in the womb.

How long would it take for the journalist to check these things if they're not sure? It's what was once a science-aware profession using stock phrases and concepts supplied by genderism.

To be fair, Emma Barnett did do a good job of setting out Semenya's viewpoint and then robustly challenging it, which Semenya clearly wasn't expecting and wasn't prepared for.

I'd forgotten how good Emma Barnett is at doing this. She goes in softly and builds up a rapport with her interviewee and then switches tack. It's fairly brutal and runs counter to the 'be kind' fawning that is perhaps more expected of female presenters (I'm thinking of you, Lorraine Kelly) but blimey, it's effective.

Don't be daft! What we dislike is unfair competition ruining women's sports and infringing other boundaries predicated on sex.

In fact it is because we are able to recognise difference that we can differentiate and form appropriate judgements based on that differentiation.

That's a fair point.

The internet says CS has a degree though.

Do you think CS would be advised prior to such an interview?

Reading a BBC article this morning, Caster said that they had a vagina. So I assumed they were a woman with an intersex condition?

From Wiki. More reliable than the BBC in this case: Semenya has the intersex condition 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency, which only affects genetic males. Individuals with this condition have normal male internal structures that are not fully masculinized during the embryo's development, resulting in external genitalia that appear ambiguous or female at birth.

Thank you. That's interesting, the BBC article very much gives the idea that Caster is a woman.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/67336536

That article pretty much just includes stuff that CS has said rather than any biological/genetic information.

It’s not that complicated really. CS looks like a man, sounds like a man, argues like a man, has the body of a man, including testes (ignoring genitals, we don’t know about those) and runs like a man. Genetic tests show CS is a man, no surprise there then.

GingerRuby · Today 09:08

Having internal testicles does not make them any less of a woman apparently

Never has the phrase, "Aye, bollocks!" seemed so apt.

Caster is saying they don’t have a uterus but do have internal testes. My italics in her quote below:

“I don't care about the medical terms or what they tell me. Being born without a uterus or with internal testicles. Those don't make me less of a woman,"

Caster is describing two ‘abnormal’ things - having no uterus or having internal testes - and saying those people are still women, whether they have bits missing or extra bits present.

You are not being dumb. Yes you can, but the thing is, Semenya has XY chromosomes. Semenya has no womb, no ovaries, and male chromosomes. Basically Semeny is a man with medical problems (internal testicles), but Semenya’s father perhaps wasn’t keen on the idea of a son with no balls and so raised Semenya as a daughter - incidentally giving Semenya a lucrative prestigious career in female sports instead of whatever fate awaits an African man with no balls.

So now Semenya can either lobby for the concept of ‘woman’ to be rewritten around the world to include Semenya, or instead accept that Semenya’s parenting was not good and that Semenya’s entire life was a lie and Semenya’s sporting achievements should belong to all those unknown women who came second to Semenya in races.

Bit of a psychological dilemma, that. Hope Semenya has access to a good therapist.

Yes, Caster has a DSD (old term= intersex) but the DSD Caster has only occurs in males. So Caster is a male person with a DSD. Sometimes being male or female matters, like in sport.

While Caster’s sex might have been unclear at birth or assumed to be female, it would have become apparent at puberty.

I genuinely don’t know if Caster simply doesn’t understand or is purposely pretending not to understand. The issue is that Caster is male. The high testosterone is normal - because Caster is male.

Emma Barnett did challenge some of what Semenya said - and got talked over and patronised for her trouble. What she didn't do was state that the DSD Semenya has only appears in males. She must have known that, as they do research in preparation for the show. Yet she chose to present Semenya as a female athlete with unusually high testosterone. Instead of a male with DSD with a perfectly ordinary level of testosterone. That is not journalism, it's is gaslighting.