Women's rights general conversations - Thread 7

[Kucinghitam]

Continuation of Thread 6.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

I just went and had a look through that Wizarding News feed. I need a shower. It's disgusting.

WTF? So they just doxxed a random woman and her child? That's criminal, surely.

Anyone watching Newsnight right now? Some hapless SNP guy getting absolutely skewered on Scotland's hate crime law. "Could JKR be arrested?", etc.

That was Fulton McGregor

Lucy from MBM was magnificent though

Yep! And probably!

20,000 Species of Bees - a film about an 8 year old struggling with their gender identity.

Kermode being all understanding and supportive:

Oh, Mark, please don't.

The RSPB ffs

https://events.rspb.org.uk/events/63845

For goodness sake!

Just why? Last thing I’d want to do is walk in the dark with strange men.

I'm Australian and must also be broken as those would be my instincts too! Just love a snake. (Maybe not tiger snakes- one of which once chased me when i was on my pony as a child, but generally speaking).

When I was very pregnant with DS1 in the UK (and newly arrived) i spied what was a grass snake in our garden. beside myself with excitement. I was right over there and bent right down looking at it. DH was like'WTAF are you doing, pregnant up close and personal with a fucking snake you have never seen before???!!!'.

The cobra video was fascinating.

Not a fan of men in women's loos though. No matter if they identify as as snake or not tbh.

Paying in the region of £20 for it as well!

Not just any strange men, though. Special strange men.

"This event is open to anybody who identifies as a woman. We also welcome non binary people who feel comfortable in a women's only space to this event."

Well they can fuck off to the far side of fuck and when they get there they can fuck off some more.

"This event is open to anybody who identifies as a woman."

Well, I think that alone excludes all sensible women who don't "identify" as anything. We just "are" women.

🙄

‘When I ask how Labour will handle the accusation from the tories that “Keir doesn’t know what a woman is”, she says, without acknowledging any shift, “Yeah, sure. We have biological women and we have trans women. And they’re both women: one is a biological woman through sex, and one is a trans woman who has transitioned. Most of the public can get that.”

https://amp.theguardian.com/global/2024/mar/23/angela-rayner-roots-rough-edges-ready-for-power

Arf at Angela Rayner, who is really on message: see the captions below the photos, advertising (with links) not just what she's wearing (clothes, footwear, jewellery, make-up) but also the make-up artist, hairdresser and "stylist".

Credibility by Boris Johnson?

I greatly admire Rayner but I really hope she accepts that others see, and are entitled to see, the gender stuff differently, what with the majority that Labour are likely to have.

https://youtube.com/shorts/KzfglTdXKH4?si=X0cJBubDCokzbzXH

I admire his determination. I'd just have walked up them muttering "FFS" as I made my way up or down.

This short thread didn't launch a lot of discussion but I found it interesting - particularly this depressing albeit predictable observation when they had mixed sex sessions the MtF would interject when the FtM spoke , telling them that they were displaying 'male privilege' and should shut up and let the 'women' speak.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5034629-everything-is-valid-a-detransitioner-speaks

I haven't watched the film yet.

Digging needed, if anyone feels so inclined!
This case is being fought by Sally Grover, creator and founder of Giggle, a women-only site, on the Federal court of Australia. A man who claims to be a woman is suing her because she will not let him join. Sall is based in Australia, but the implications of the judgement could be felt worldwide because her defence is predicated on the international treaty obligations of Australia - it is a signatory to CEDAW, which protects the rights of women as a sex class.

She is crowdfunding and appears to be very far short of her total. The Australian media is very captured and she has been unable to publicise it otherwise than through her TwiX account and the odd non-mainstream YouTube channel interview. This is the Mumsnet thread and info about the crowdfunder is in it.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4779154-tickle-vs-giggle

Does anyone have a share token for this?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/teacher-sacked-trans-policy-school-gender-qfrg9ph8v

It's a female teacher, from the little I've been able to read it seems someone on the tribunal has been posting anti tory and anti Christian stuff(?). I've cannot get archive.ph to work and 12 ft ladder only gives me a very truncated piece.

From the little I've been able to read and off the top of my head it's not one I'm familiar with.

No share token sadly but here are a couple of quotes to give the thrust of it:

All three members of the tribunal in Nottingham, including the judge, have recused themselves in an effort to avoid a “perception of bias” against the teacher, who is said to have raised concerns about a socially transitioning eight-year-old.
The rare move by the tribunal’s judge, Victoria Butler, and members Javed Akhtar and Jed Purkis — came after the discovery of social media comments alleged “to advocate religious discrimination”.

Further down the article:

Pavel Stroilov, the lawyer for the teacher, made an application for a recusal. He called on the panel to assess the posts “from an assumed standpoint of a fair-minded and informed observer. That observer needs to consider whether there is a possibility of bias, including subconscious bias”.
Stroilov argued that it would not be sufficient only for Purkis to step down, since the other two judges had presided over the trial together for more than six days and would be perceived as influenced by his view of the case.
In agreeing with that argument, the tribunal acknowledged that ‘“doubt would arise in the mind of a fair-minded and informed observer” as to their impartiality in the case.
The teacher — who has been anonymised to protect the identity of one of the pupils at the school — is suing Nottinghamshire county council and one of its primary schools for victimisation for whistleblowing, unfair dismissal and discrimination on the grounds of her Christian beliefs.
She has alleged that the school dismissed her, and reported her to regulators, for raising concerns about the school’s “trans affirming” policy, which she believed endangered pupils. The teacher has claimed that the policies appeared to allow any child at the school, without medical evidence, to be affirmed in whichever gender they choose.

Towards the end:

Andrea Williams, chief executive of the Christian Legal Centre, which is backing the teacher’s claim, said that “you cannot have a panel presiding over a serious case involving a Christian who has lost their career because of their beliefs, that includes panel members who appear to hold significant prejudice against Christians and conservative beliefs, and to lack any understanding of what it means to be a person of faith”.