Women's rights general conversations - Thread 7

[Kucinghitam]

Continuation of Thread 6.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

That is a lot of bush! Fair play to her though, I'd want that level of bush to keep your home private if I was her. I'd also have a big wrought iron gate with embelishments and the words "TERF MANSION" as a beautifully embelished in that same wrought iron at the top of the gates. That'd give TRSOH types something to rage so hard over that their poor heeds might esplode. Figuratively, obviously, not literally. It'd make a change from my poor heed esploding.

lol now I wish I will win the lottery just to buy a big house and make a gate saying "TERF MANSION" with witch hats depicted in the ironwork.

I've just read the comments on an Edinburgh Evening News Facebook post about Hedgegate and the comments are overwhelmingly favourable to JKR. ENN wheels the same article out every time this happens. Several commenters have pointed out that the hedges needing to be cut pre-dates JKR living there and that the CEC require for said hedges to be cut.

Love me a good Brendan O'Neill rant, this one is a cracker and so true

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/01/25/her-penis-the-most-orwellian-phrase-of-our-age/

I'm not sure I like Brendan O'Neill, but he is spot on in this instance. It's ludicrous and makes a mockery of a) what women and girls actually go through, and b) the notion of journalistic integrity.

I haven’t read it but the title alone is correct

Yeah, it's a funny one. The thing is, I don't agree with Brendan O'Neill on many things (he'll be utterly devastated to read) but it's normal disagreement, the type that people used to have. I don't think he's right about some stuff but there's no terrible consequence for me in thinking that and I can see how he comes to the opinions he has - they're coming from a starting point that I can see and while I come to a different conclusion, that's all it is and I can live with that and respect it. But this stuff is just mental. It's so stupid, anti logic, sheared from reality and has such unthinkable consequences for disagreement that it's just not in the same league.

I don't even know if I'm making sense.

Yes, that makes sense, Stephanie.

It's the difference between a discussion where you can imagine either side saying 'I hadn't considered those particular circumstances', or at least 'that's an interesting angle' and 'I can see where you're coming from, but'; and one where those phrases are simply impossible.

EXACTLY.

At least Ricky Gervais has imprinted it on a few minds. It's emblematic of the whole house of cards.

Having now read the piece 😀all I can say is, Amen to all all of that.

Convincing, say, the BBC, to stop doing this would be a massive step forward.

Having now read the piece 😀all I can say is, Amen to all all of that.

Ditto!

This is depressing: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4994025-survey-finds-rape-myths-still-persist-in-the-uk

That is really depressing. I have to say, I agree with the sentiment expressed there, that the "modern" world has become more sexist than it was 20+ years ago.

The linked articles are an upsetting read.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4994208-4-year-old-boy-started-primary-school-as-a-girl?

Isn't it just? We hear all this prattle about 'safeguarding', but kids are let down left , right, and centre.

Johnny come lately here has just read that. Hoorah for the Phoenix, who shall surely rise from the ashes. More of this please.

Oh there's plenty more to come. Next up is probably the ruling in Roz Almond vs the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre. That's the one headed by a transwoman. The Tribunal Tweets posts on it have been absolutely jaw-dropping.

Yes, in recent weeks we’ve had Rachel Meade’s victory, then Jo Phoenix, and the <stunning & brave> ERCC ongoing case. Mostly being studiously ignored by TRSOH media and talking heads.

They can ignore reality, and facts, and legal outcomes... some might say they are good at it... but it is what it is, regardless.

Good to see you Mach and Squeaky - I'd been thinking I'd not seen you around for a while.

I've been absolutely glued to the ERCC case. How organisation after organisation can put up such disastrous defences baffles me. They're clearly so far up their own arses they've not been able to see what happened at the tribunals before them.

I think it's like how they can't defend their position out of a wet paper bag anywhere. No debate right side of history thinking means that they see no reason to reflect on themselves, what they're doing and why so they're utterly blindsided when the rights of others jump into the conversation.

I'm genuinely surprised that I'm still surprised - the batshittery of the entire thing (magical thinking, slippery mendacity, glaring contradictions, hair-trigger name-calling, etc etc) was always Right There In Plain Sight. (I mean, look at the Old Place some of us fled from.)

Yet there's so much batshittery that I keep finding new crazy things to astonish me.

BTW, the current random chat thread is here, in case anybody has lost track. At the moment is consists mostly of cats. With the occasional Seriously Hawt demon.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4992898-thread-12-talklair-i-say-we-take-off-and-nuke-the-entire-site-from-orbit-its-the-only-way-to-be-sure?

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · Today 11:34

I've been absolutely glued to the ERCC case. How organisation after organisation can put up such disastrous defences baffles me.

I think that they're so utterly convinced of their own rectitude, that they are incapable of conceiving that they could be wrong. They're full of a sense of righteousness and think the law doesn't apply to them, after all, they've had years of Stonewall telling them they're entitled to ignore it.