Women's rights general conversations - Thread 7

[Kucinghitam]

Continuation of Thread 6.

There is so much excellent information and so many active discussions on FWR that I wondered if it would be useful to have a thread to sort of "cross-fertilise" between them - airing little thoughts or vignettes that wouldn't themselves merit their own thread, to highlight other posts/threads of particular interest or to point to notable developments on fast-moving threads so that casual observers know where to look.

(For example, "the X thread has meandered onto a fascinating discussion of Y" or "Poster P's amazing analysis on thread Z might have relevance to the scenario in thread W" or "Has anybody noticed this recurring theme that keeps coming up??" or even "Random bloke asked me to smile while I was choosing onions in the supermarket, grr"- that sort of thing).

"Stonewall don't offer legal advice" ( and only a fool would think so )

• Stonewall after their advice got Maya an enormous payout

"Well, shit"

• The chambers that took said "not legal advice" advice and had to pay Maya off

A man who represents himself has a fool for a client. A legal organisation which takes legal advice from Stonewall... no comment.

Under represented groups on the BBC? GC feminists. Minorities? There's only six of us.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/27/bbc-comedy-grants-woke-agenda-identity-politics/

https://archive.ph/OFyiJ

That case was jawdropping in the amount of "did they just say that crap in a court of law?"

Also they were mainly avoided by the usual suspects. One did stick his head around the door but posting a snarky comment/question (that the answer to which could be found by anyone who have been reading the threads rather than just plopping,) in the middle of a fast moving thread about a live court case meant no one could be arsed providing him with the oxygen required. Although the query did get answered later on in a lull on proceedings I think, but by that time I think they'd already gone off to sulk.

"Good to see you Mach and Squeaky - I'd been thinking I'd not seen you around for a while."

<Waves>

The genderist stuff tends to fall apart when it encounters due process and people who are paid to argue (barristers). That CEOs are either dazzled or cowed by it doesn't give me much faith in the top 100 companies.

I think that they're so utterly convinced of their own rectitude, that they are incapable of conceiving that they could be wrong.

Virtually no-one working in these organisations is openly questioning the ideology.knowing that you'll be ostracised or lose your job if people know your views is enough to shut most people up.

One academic friend who has no time for gender identity ideology at all won't tell me her twitter account because she doesn't want it linked to her in any way.

The courts are very much the first time a lot of organisations experience ideology meeting reality.

Just saw this -
'Police officers mock body-worn video of semi-naked woman'
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67958136

The National Autistic Society have put together webpages on menstruation and menopause. They’ve totally avoided using the words ‘women’ and ‘girls’.
https://www.autism.org.uk/advice-and-guidance/topics/physical-health/menstruation

https://www.autism.org.uk/advice-and-guidance/topics/physical-health/menopause#:~:text=Some%20autistic%20people%20report%20that,ADHD%20traits%20became%20more%20prominent.

Just reading this now

Montana family loses custody of daughter after opposing her transition https://mol.im/a/13021149

This is insane. They should be taking kids away from parents who transition them, not the other way around!

I feel extremely sorry for this teenager and any others this happens to. At some point, they're going to really be extremely angry about outside agencies getting involved with breaking up families for the views of fanatics.

None of the officers faced a misconduct hearing but a student officer who reported them was later dismissed.

Quelle fucking surprise. Bunch of animals.

Essential reading https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/feb/01/they-were-dying-and-theyd-not-had-their-money-britains-multibillion-pound-equal-pay-scandal?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

”interesting” how the left was complicit in the discrimination against women for so long.

Wrong kind of women, I guess!

The unions don't come out of that very well either. Not at all like today They'd never let down their female members because of some unfashionable cause, like (to pluck a random example out of thin air) sex based rights.

In the unlikely event that I'm ever in Glasgow, I'd like to put flowers on that bench.

Not especially women's rights related (apart from us doing more caring) but nice to see a consultation on actually inclusive loos, rather than the usual exclusive inclusion: www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/residents-asked-opinion-inclusive-belfast-28540490?

That looks like the loo in the community hall I was at a couple of weeks back. It seemed a good use of public money and limited space, in a hall with a maximum capacity of ca 40 - that is usually used by much smaller groups than that.

I think it’s good news but gah! to news websites with multiple moving parts.

Changing Places loos are a brilliant idea and should be encouraged. I'd also encourage them to have very, very small mirrors, set at wheelchair height.

The last paragraph brought a tear to my eye.

Stojilkovic’s granddaughter Toni Smith was born soon after Stojilkovic received the 2005 payout. The fight for equal pay has lasted her entire life. It is only in the past few years that Smith has started to understand why her grandmother was always so stressed and busy for all those years. “It gives me a wee spring in my step whenever I go on social media and see something about my nana and everything she’s fought for,” she told me. “I’m like – I want to be like that one day.”

Yes, that was very touching, wasn't it.

https://twitter.com/OkayBiology/status/1754307988800651593?s=19

It seems the kids aren't happy!

There's a specific thread for this article but just sticking it here too. Feels like progress:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/02/opinion/transgender-children-gender-dysphoria.html?unlocked_article_code=1.TE0.fDHZ.LM-UYY9cV6e6&bgrp=c&smid=url-share

That's a remarkably sensible article. Progress, indeed!

Well, that was an interesting and well balanced article; thanks, Bignose

Nice to see you, so to speak...

I read:

She noted that the Biden administration has “unequivocally” supported gender-affirming care for minors, in cases in which it deems it “medically appropriate and necessary.” Rachel Levine, the assistant secretary for health at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, told NPR in 2022 that “there is no argument among medical professionals — pediatricians, pediatric endocrinologists, adolescent medicine physicians, adolescent psychiatrists, psychologists, et cetera — about the value and the importance of gender-affirming care.”

How can she get away without being called out on such a bare faced lie? Even supporters of trans medicine must surely realise that it's a hugely contested field?

@SinnerBoy How can she get away without being called out on such a bare faced lie? Even supporters of trans medicine must surely realise that it's a hugely contested field?

The best explanation I can offer was provided by Lewis Carroll:

"Just the place for a Snark!" the Bellman cried,
As he landed his crew with care;
Supporting each man on the top of the tide
By a finger entwined in his hair."
Just the place for a Snark! I have said it twice:
That alone should encourage the crew.
Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice:
What I tell you three times is true."