Butches against transpohobia

[Catsanfan]

I saw a woman wearing a T shirt saying 'Butches against transphobia' today. It astounds me that some lesbians would think that way. I wonder what she would do if presented with a penis on a date?

@suggestionsplease1 - you know perfectly well that I didn't mean a plastic attack stick - cock is for the chaps

It's a reasonable question on FWR to ask why someone would possibly want to stand against transphobia, is it now?

Good grief you've completely lost yourselves if that is what it has come to.

This board is heavily monitored by a certain type of person. Threads like this are like catnip offering opportunities to share their fantasies about lesbians, lesbian sex etc. Along with regular new posters to Mumsnet who also like to lecture about how "anti trans" women's views are about safeguarding children, women's rights, even that the definition of lesbian must include men. 🙄
They rarely last long but can be remarkably offensive to women.

And lo!

https://lgballiance.org.uk/facts/

Either you didn't read the transcript of what she actually said, where she debunked these claims, or you're deliberately misrepresenting things. Which is it?

What on earth does that even mean? To have "a favourable view"?

From the document posted by @Waitwhat23

One particularly sticky myth is that only 7% of LGB Alliance supporters are lesbians. Here’s how that started:
We were delighted to be able to support Allison Bailey at her tribunal in the form of a witness statement to help prove that gender critical people are likely to be women and lesbians. As part of that we shared some numbers from our newsletter subscriber list.
We used Mailchimp to send our newsletter and when we set up our account in 2019 we added some subscriber questions which, as it turned out, provided us with ambiguous data.
We asked people whether they were lesbian, whether they were lesbian/gay or if they preferred not to say. The flaws being that we couldn’t tell whether those who ticked lesbian/gay were men or women and that none of the fields were compulsory – so many people skipped them altogether.
The result was that we had 4,502 newsletter subscribers and 316 ticked the box describing themselves as lesbian. That’s 7% of the total. A further 949 ticked the box lesbian/gay and 1,427 were unspecified or preferred not to say. Based on that data that means that between 316 (7%) and 2,376 (53%) of our subscribers were lesbian.
The 7% figure was used in court because it’s important that evidence is based on provable fact and it is a fact that, at a minimum, 7% of our subscribers were lesbians. However, common sense told us that that number was really much higher.
In August 2022 we commissioned a survey of our subscribers to help us plan to deliver services and support to LGB people. One of the questions we asked was about sexual orientation. That data showed that 34% are lesbian, 33% are gay men, 12% are bisexual, 20% are heterosexual and 1% preferred not to say. We are satisfied that this data is robust."

@suggestionsplease1

It's a reasonable question on FWR to ask why someone would possibly want to stand against transphobia, is it now?

Good grief you've completely lost yourselves if that is what it has come to.

Firstly, we know that "transphobia" in practice is just disagreeing with their political ideology.

Secondly, the OP question was whether a lesbian would be sexually interested in a trans woman / biological male.

And I think that's a fair question when it comes to whether they really see trans as being genuine.

Yeah...that really doesn't seem to debunk the 7% figure...that looks more like a 'Shit we got found out in that court case guys, we're gonna send round another survey and can some of you make sure tick the lesbian box this time. Ta muchly! '

If this is from a survey, then I do wonder how many of the respondents were heterosexual males who just identified as "lesbian".

Yeah...that really doesn't seem to debunk the 7% figure...that looks more like a 'Shit we got found out in that court case guys, we're gonna send round another survey and can some of you make sure tick the lesbian box this time. Ta muchly! '

Not really, but you are free to hold that belief obviously. You could say that about all the pro trans surveys too, that they lie to get the effect they want. But it would be pure speculation of course.

I guess my issue is I don't believe anyone was born in the wrong body, I don't believe in gender and I therefore do not believe in trans. It was also at a children's adventure park and seemed somewhat inappropriate, but that was not my main point.

That was meant to be @Bobbotgegrinch

Thank you @Panastasia and all others who have supported my view.

Given that the word "transphobia" has now been broadened to include many things which no reasonable person would describe as prejudice or hate towards trans people, such as, for example, lesbians refusing to consider dating someone with a penis or objecting to lesbian dating apps being wall to wall cock, I'd say it is an entirely reasonable question.

In August 2022 we commissioned a survey of our subscribers to help us plan to deliver services and support to LGB people. One of the questions we asked was about sexual orientation. That data showed that 34% are lesbian, 33% are gay men, 12% are bisexual, 20% are heterosexual and 1% preferred not to say. We are satisfied that this data is robust.

There do have some heterosexual subscribers to their newsletter but surely it is a positive that their organisation has allies outside of the LGB community. Weird how you're trying to spin broader support for LGB issues as somehow being a bad thing.

This.

It does if you can actually understand what words mean when you put them together to form sentences.

That's fine, I pretty much agree with you, but that doesn't mean that you're scared of or hate trans people, you're not transphobic. So again, what's the problem with the slogan?

Threads like this just give the TRAs something to point at and say "See they do hate trans people"

It's threads like these that make the "pro-women, not anti-trans" line look very shaky IMO.

A person wears a t-shirt saying they're against transphobia, which I'd hope we could all agree with. Especially given that "there's no transphobia on FWR" and how many posters assert they are not transphobic on other threads on here (e.g. the one running at the moment about being in the middle of the debate).

And yet somehow, that t-shirt has caused such controversy. When, if all the above were true, it shouldn't even cause the twitch of an eyebrow.

As we know, everything is transphobic

https://wingsoverscotland.com/everything-is-transphobic/

I'm afraid this is very naive.

Hatred of trans people is what the word "transphobia" should be used to mean, but that is not how it is being used by trans activists.

Like so many other words.

They are as far as biology is concerned

What does the 'trans' in transwomen signify?

My problem with the slogan is that I, personally, do not believe trans people exist. Gender ideology is based on stereotypes. For the record I don't hate anyone and would never be unkind to someone with gender dysphoria. And I think there is enough evidence out there that 'Terfs' do not hate 'trans' people but TRA's hate us.