Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 8

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R
OU Departments & Networks:
HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
KS - Kevin Shakesheff. PVC for Research and Innovation
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21😇
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language - This witness did not give evidence.

Witness for JP:

SE - Professor Sarah Earle, Head of the HWSRA

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

https://jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

Thread 5
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4919223-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-5

Thread 6
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4921308-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-6

Thread 7
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4922765-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-7

Time for a song.

I'm glad you had your cheese discussions as it led me to the cheddar & spring onion on a muffin (not the sweet type) that currently sits alongside me. Not for long, though.

BTW, does anyone know how to pronounce Jonathan Haidt's surname? I've heard it as 'Hate' and 'Height'.

We're in!

We're off...

We're off!

We're in!

In!

Mid-sentence, again. 🙄

I'm in judge is talking

Are we in or off? Get your story straight, unlike the OU witnesses.

Think she is asking JM to clarify what she will talk about

Oh and on the last day they switch on JM's mic

BC always looks so zen

JM just woke up and put her mic on.

Judge doesn't want JM's oral statement to be the same as the written submissions, they want some something different.

JM think she will only be an hour.

How the hell is she arguing that Jo only cared about HER view? It's VERY MUCH the case that those who attacked Jo only cared about THEIR views, and didn't give one shiny shit about Jo.

JM said JP believes in only HER freedom of expression.

That's funny, I must have missed the open letter from Jo tying to shut down GI debate.

JM: both parties agree it's a case c fos, to express beliefs and not just GC beliefs (!). JP believes in fo expression but only her freedom of expression (!!). It's about politics, JP is a campaigner - nothing wrong with this - more than a academic. Her fos to be seen in this context.

I thought BC would go first have we missed his submission

Do observers get a link to the written submissions? I thought we did. Can anyone remember what happened in previous cases?

Bwahahahahaha - JM has just said JP wanted freedom of speech but only for HER GC views.

Erm - GCRN was open to all? She wasn't trying to shut people down / deplatform them. Only one side does that and it's not GC.

I'm impressed she said that with a straight face to be honest.

JM's got to say that though. She's got nowt to work with. She can hardly say I'd like to apologise for all the self serving lying bastards my client called.

Wasn't Jo trying to get a debate going, she tried to engage, they didn't want to know. She even set up a network to debate and research.

Is JM saying that the actions of the OU staff are covered by academic freedom?

Yes we did

"There was a purity attached to [Jo's] case".

WTF? Has she been sniffing the office Tippex?