Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 8

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R
OU Departments & Networks:
HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
KS - Kevin Shakesheff. PVC for Research and Innovation
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21😇
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language - This witness did not give evidence.

Witness for JP:

SE - Professor Sarah Earle, Head of the HWSRA

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

https://jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

Thread 5
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4919223-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-5

Thread 6
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4921308-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-6

Thread 7
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4922765-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-7

Also on standby. You inspire me.

Happy to donate again. This series of threads has been quite a read.

For Jo

Also on standby if needed, but there’s still plenty of other gardening to be done in other allotments in the meantime.

I hope there is some calmness to be found for Jo between now and the judgment, knowing that she’s doing what she can, she has the best legal representation going, and now there’s nothing to be done except wait. It sounds like the eye of the storm.

Whether every woman appreciates/understands it or not, Jo, Maya, Allison, Sarah et al represent/fight for us all, and we owe you so much. Thank you.

<counts coins in purse>

We have hobnobs? And this is the first I hear of it. Ffs shove up the sofa, let me in with my giant cuppa and a packet of hobnobs. Ta.

In the meantime, hoping the judgment is soon, but not too soon.

Gardening tools at the ready for further horticulture if needs be.

But in the meantime we have hobnobs and <opens bottle> wine. Top up, anyone?

MavisMcMinty · Today 15:48

Whether every woman appreciates/understands it or not, Jo, Maya, Allison, Sarah et al represent/fight for us all, and we owe you so much. Thank you.

I was thinking along similar lines, Jo and the others have bravely taken on organised gangs of bullying fanatics and won. They have fought for the cause of reason and fairness and the legal judgements resulting have made it much more difficult, hopefully insurmountable, for organisations to bully and hector women with perfectly normal, reasonable opinions.

My daughter and her age group will be some of the lucky ones to benefit from what are now enshrined protections in law. (Even though she is TWAW).

@SinnerBoy give your Dd and her friends a few more months and they’ll understand. The more dodgy men harp on about the ideology on social media, the more you can’t ignore it anymore. Young people are very fed up with it too.

Tiny, she's ten and has a friend who is "a biological boy, but a REAL girl." I've tried to explain gently, but I don't want to get into a discussion about rapists and perverts at her age.

Not yet.

@SinnerBoy Oh I thought at least 14-15- poor things.

As soon as everyone gets to secondary, it will be a big culture shock. They’ll all have phones and unfortunately there is a lot of content their peers will be seeing that will influence their behaviour.

This leads to all sorts of problems, which I sure you are aware about, but unfortunately it means you haven’t got too much longer before you are going to have to introduce topics. For example, in one school I was working with, there was one boy who liked posing in dresses and make-up in Year 9 discussing Drag Race and lots of school girls followed him on social media (from Year 9 downwards) but I noticed so did a lot of much older men. These two groups would not normally be mixing in real life and these girls were so naive with their messaging it was upsetting.

It does get better as they grow up. All I can say is keep an eye on all their social media -be close and supportive. Some parents had no clue.

Thanks, I will talk more in depth, if she wants to, as she gets older and learns more.

She Won. 😍

https://twitter.com/JoPhoenix1/status/1749479542693957898?s=19

omg!!!! Oh Jo you star!!!!🌟

Brilliant, well done Jo (and legal team). Thank you for being willing to put your head above the parapet on behalf of many other women who can't speak out. I hope you feel some relief, and that it was worth it.

Fantastic news, Jo - enjoy that fizz and cheers to you! 🍾

Brilliant news 🍾

Fantastic Jo. And thank you x

Here is the Judgement

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65ae82d58bbe95000e5eb1f7/Ms_J_Pheonix_v_The_Open_University_3322700.2021___other_FMH_Reserved_Judgment.pdf

So pleased. Thank you for putting yourself through it , Jo. I will never forget that you endured being traumatised all over again in Watford .

Fantastic news!

Grinning my head off here!

I don't make my GC views public as without being outing, it would make the job I do very difficult and difficult to get another. I'm surrounded by woke. So instead I contribute to crowd justice campaigns like this and do my bit quietly. Really pleased Jo has won.

Jo & your amazing legal team well done. I appreciate how tough it has been for you but your case with others will make such a different to so many women.

This is incredibly important for feminists in academia