Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 6

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R
OU Departments & Networks:
HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
KS - Kevin Shakesheff. PVC for Research and Innovation
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

Thread 5 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4919223-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-5

I wonder if witness really has covid or just IDs as having covid. No way to know really, since they're the same. (biology not mattering etc)

😂or maybe a boxer, throwing jabs as she goes.

Wearing her dressing gown with the hood up.

Just catching up again.

Can someone share the bingo card again - is "during Pride" on it? And "so near to Pride" adds to this sanctimonious twattery. When is a lesbian allowed to talk GC? Not during Pride, not near to Pride, not before, not after... Shades of the cookie bear - not now, not ever, not never.

BC: Let's test that answer.

Words to strike terror into the stoutest heart.

IIrc the electronic bundle has different numbering and doesn't include all the documents. So what could possibly go wrong?

I think it is only 2 pages out of alinement, not like the other unmentionable bundle.

I tried to physically draw up a bingo card over the weekend, but it now resembles a toilet roll of excuses. All that is missing is: " the dog ate it".

Bc has been fantastic today 😂

@RobinStrike I think it was KS yesterday afternoon but my memory is hazy. It was definitely one of the witnesses yesterday. I am not sure if TT picked it up, BC said something like that’s not what you said in the interview and he responded with something like I wasn’t under oath then. I thought Wow and posted that yesterday at 14:17.

Grand job everyone keeping us up to date with proceedings today. You must be tired, but you are so very much appreciated by the rest of us. Many thanks.

Even unwell, he's still dynamite.

Only if she's the Right Kind of lesbian (and nice ones don't call themselves lesbians, which is a dogwhistle suggesting they might have a thing about wanting to do women only, nice ones say they are queer), having just seen the thing about the definition of Queerphobia on another thread. Refusing to validate someone's identity with your body by having sex with them on the grounds that you're homosexual and they are in fact the opposite sex, is queerphobic and transphobic in this interesting faith system.

That this is homophobic and ethically/morally beyond dubious is apparently a much lesser sin.

If they do decide to take evidence from the covidy witness remotely I hope they get her to take a live on screen COVID test, a la airline lockdown requirements.

DD2 told me where to find the thermometer. 38.4. I'm sure I can identify my way out of that... or just you know, rely on paracetamol.

This whole thing feels like the bizarrest fever dream so it seems a strangely appropriate state of physical health to listen in with.

I'm not the witness with Covid by the way.

Dressing gown of doom?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/mumsnet_classics/3404648-Im-totally-unreasonable-DH-putting-on-a-ill-voice

I reckon she'll definitely do 'the voice'. 😂

Is the Judge insinuating that the witness is chucking a sickie??

"the dog ate it "was something I thought about but it seemed too far out of this universe of possibilities. maybe I was wrong

Thanks for all the coverage everyone. Keeping everything crossed for admittance tomorrow for DD cross examination. Lots of exploring the answers please, BC!.

Catching up and still several pages behind, but got a massive case of deja vu with this. Who was it that fell into that trap earlier in the week?

I'm thinking of JP,

• post spinal surgery and grieving for her recently deceased mother
• dealing with all this, alone, isolated by her colleagues, unsupported by the OU and experiencing an orchestrated pile-on.

And those colleagues who are

• profoundly convinced of the true nature of their moral compass despite the underhand nature of some of their activities
• having such profound difficulty withstanding a comparatively brief period of scrutiny from BC, while substantially supported by the OU and their other colleagues.

I'm doing my best to #BeKind and think that I would probably deem some of OU colleagues to be admirable, estimable, and good citizens if I came across them in another capacity. Right now, however, I'm horrified by the selective memory and nature of their compassion and, frankly, it does make me question their research skills and integrity.

Dr Downes and her wanting to give a 'loud voice' to the open letter.

Thank you very much, everyone. Horrifying and fascinating. Complete plonkers, every last one. Jo: we are rooting for you.

Placemarking

I hate 'the voice'. My husband drags himself around the house in his dressing gown of doom, croaking weakly away (even it's got nothing to do with his bloody throat), taking to his bed and demanding sips of iced water and heinz tomato soup with bits of buttered Warburton in it.

(I should add that he is an excellent husband in all other ways and is as GC as I am but FUCK the voice annoys me).

oh no looks like I over extrapolated 😞. They recently were forced to start looking at sex again as it is the relevant protected characteristic in the Equality Act (not gender). But looking at the most recent guidance AS have got round this by simply adding in more protected characteristics to be able to still focus on trans people - so the PCs they now focus on are sex, pregnancy and maternity… and gender reassignment. Ffs