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Last minute TRA attempt to get FiLiA cancelled fails

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/10/2023 17:50

www.thenational.scot/news/23851055.venue-forced-u-turn-cancelling-transphobic-event-legal-action-threat/

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/10/2023 17:52

Apologies if there are other threads, I couldn't see one specifically apart from the one about Glasgow Reddit.

Article in the National:

"TRANS rights activists have lost a battle to cancel a conference they claimed was transphobic after the venue was threatened with legal action.

Glasgow Trans Rally launched an unsuccessful campaign to have Glasgow venue Platform ditch an event planned to go ahead by FiLiA, a gender-critical feminist charity.

FiLiA said Platform, in the former site of The Arches nightclub, had initially caved in to pressure and cancelled until they were threatened with legal action and reinstated the event."

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/10/2023 17:53

Thread about the Glasgow subreddit whining about the legal position

Call a Waaahmbulance for r/glasgow on Reddit www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4918510-call-a-waaahmbulance-for-rglasgow-on-reddit

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fedupandstuck · 12/10/2023 17:55

It's great that there is a precedent from the previous case with Joanna Cherry and The Stand, so that venues can be reminded of their legal obligations.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/10/2023 18:00

FiLiA media statement:

x.com/joannaccherry/status/1712485018822676821?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

"The Chief Executive and co-founder of FiLiA, Lisa-Marie Taylor said “We are delighted that our conference is going ahead. We were dismayed when we were informed by Platform at very short notice that they were not going to allow us into the venue. It was clear to us that they and their staff had been pressurised by a group determined to undermine women’s rights and thwarting freedom of speech. The idea that so many women may have been shut out because of a small band of anti-democratic and anonymous campaigners was extremely distressing. We are very grateful to our legal team for acting so quickly to turn this round.”
Joanna Cherry MP, who is speaking at the conference said “I hope that this case sends a very clear message to venues all over the country that they do not have to buckle when pressurised by misguided and anonymous activists hell-bent on undermining not only women who wish to advance the ongoing problems we continue to face on a daily basis, but the rule of law itself. The law is on their side. I stand in solidarity with FiLiA having myself been ‘cancelled’ earlier in the year, only for me to take similar legal action and for The Stand to back down. I said at the time: "I think it says something's gone very wrong in Scotland's civic space. Small groups of activists are now dictating who can speak and what can be discussed.”
I stand by that concern, but the fight must go on to allow everyone to debate the issues freely without fear of being vilified and cancelled by a small minority out to undermine fundamental principles of democracy’
David McKie of Levy & McRae, Solicitors who represents FiLiA said: “The Equality Act is very clear and is designed to prevent anyone being discriminated against on grounds of their beliefs. The law applies to all. The recent cases of Billy Graham against the SECC and Joanna Cherry against The Stand Comedy Club reinforced that principle.”
By Way of Background
FiLiA, the women-led volunteer organisation will be proceeding with their conference on 13th-15th October 2023 in Glasgow, with over 1400 delegates signed up to attend from all over the world despite an 11th hour attempt to have the event stopped by an anonymous trans activist group.
The charity, which is part of the Women’s Liberation Movement was the subject of an online campaign by Glasgow Trans Rally to prevent their conference proceeding.
Despite the event having been booked and paid for and over 1000 women having arranged flights, accommodation (many of whom are of limited means and have survived male oppression and violence), the venue, Platform and its staff were placed under extraordinary pressure from an online pressure group who attempted to force the venue into cancelling the event.

The owners and staff of the venue were pressurised to such a degree that they cancelled the event less than twelve hours before FiLiA were due to set up for the three day conference.

FiLiA considered that the proposed actions of the venue were unlawful and instructed their lawyers, Levy & McRae, to take immediate action.

FiLiA were pleased that the venue sensibly backed down after Levy & McRae’s intervention and appreciate the stance that Platform ultimately took .

FiLiA value the important principles of freedom of speech which are vital to ensure that they can continue the campaign for women’s liberation. FiLiA are looking forward to hosting a vibrant, diverse and successful conference.
FiLiA is a women-led grassroots charity whose volunteers put on the largest annual feminist conference in Europe. With no conference funding, they bring well over 1,000 attendees to a different city each year, enabling women to hear from local, national and global voices on topics as diverse as FGM, forced marriage, coercive control and femicide. This year FiLiA is platforming activists from Afghanistan, Iran, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Australia and (of course) Scotland. "

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/10/2023 18:01

It's great that there is a precedent from the previous case with Joanna Cherry and The Stand, so that venues can be reminded of their legal obligations.

It is. They are starting to get the message.

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Farmageddon · 12/10/2023 18:08

I hate the way the media uses 'transphobic' to describe everything these days, it's such lazy reporting. Filia is a women's event - women talking about women's issues - the fact that this is somehow controversial is bullshit.

I can't believe the venue caved initially - has everyone somehow lost the ability to just say 'no, go away' or just ignore people who are whining about something?
Also, why aren't Glasgow Trans Rally being called out for the bullies they are? Trying to get an event cancelled because you don't like what they have to say? Arseholes!

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 12/10/2023 18:12

Who are/is Glasgow Trans Rally? They seem to have a very recent Insta page with no engagement and to generally hate women

Can they generally not seen how bad this makes them look?

On the bright side they claim JKR will be at Filia...

OvaHere · 12/10/2023 18:12

Farmageddon · 12/10/2023 18:08

I hate the way the media uses 'transphobic' to describe everything these days, it's such lazy reporting. Filia is a women's event - women talking about women's issues - the fact that this is somehow controversial is bullshit.

I can't believe the venue caved initially - has everyone somehow lost the ability to just say 'no, go away' or just ignore people who are whining about something?
Also, why aren't Glasgow Trans Rally being called out for the bullies they are? Trying to get an event cancelled because you don't like what they have to say? Arseholes!

As more start to realise the legal implications this will happen less and less.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/10/2023 18:13

Good grief. It's open war on women from these groups isn't it?
Women meeting to discuss feminism, VAWG, women's rights etc and Glasgow Trans Rally want to shut them down.

They're increasingly saying the quiet bit out loud - that they think women should have no place in society. The new Victorians!

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 12/10/2023 18:14

I can't believe the venue caved initially - has everyone somehow lost the ability to just say 'no, go away' or just ignore people who are whining about something?

It's just stupid as well. I'll bet anyone booking Platform will be thinking twice now - no-one will want to hold a large event at a venue that cancels large events with 12 hours notice...

IcakethereforeIam · 12/10/2023 18:17

Julie Bindel's written about it in Unherd.

https://unherd.com/thepost/why-did-trans-activists-try-to-shut-down-my-feminist-event/

Incidentally, does anyone know what the lightning and fire icons are above the comments?

I do worry that being unable to shut down events by bullying the venues or by demonstrating (if the Police do their job), they are going to try something really stupid.

Trans activists fail to shut down another feminist event

Trans activists all too often act as the militia wing of the men’s rights movement. Their movement is perfectly designed to bully, harass, intimidate and silence feminists — or just any woman who dares to question male dominance.  [...]Read More...

https://unherd.com/thepost/why-did-trans-activists-try-to-shut-down-my-feminist-event

OvaHere · 12/10/2023 18:19

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/10/2023 18:13

Good grief. It's open war on women from these groups isn't it?
Women meeting to discuss feminism, VAWG, women's rights etc and Glasgow Trans Rally want to shut them down.

They're increasingly saying the quiet bit out loud - that they think women should have no place in society. The new Victorians!

Someone on that Glasgow reddit thread posted to say they went to look at the FiLia website but it was all women's issues so what's the problem.

They were told that wasn't the point because the people in attendance didn't believe TWAW so that should be enough to get them shut down. Because they don't believe what TRAs think they should.

Then they have the gall to bollocks on about 'the Fash'.

ErrolTheDragon · 12/10/2023 18:26

Then they have the gall to bollocks on about 'the Fash'.

'Fash cunts', I think.

SapphosRock · 12/10/2023 18:28

I just saw this! FFS! I thought this statement from Filia was excellent.

FiLiA, the women-led volunteer organisation will be proceeding with their conference on 13th-15th October 2023 in Glasgow, with over 1400 delegates signed up to attend from all over the world despite an 11th hour attempt to have the event stopped by an anonymous trans activist group.
The charity, which is part of the Women’s Liberation Movement was the subject of an online campaign by Glasgow Trans Rally to prevent their conference proceeding.
Despite the event having been booked and paid for and over 1000 women having arranged flights, accommodation (many of whom are of limited means and have survived male oppression and violence), the venue and its staff were placed under extraordinary pressure from an online pressure group who attempted to force the venue into cancelling the event.

The owners and staff of the venue were pressurised to such a degree that they cancelled the event less than twelve hours before FiLiA were due to set up for the three day conference.

FiLiA considered that the proposed actions of the venue were unlawful and instructed their lawyers, Levy & McRae, to take immediate action.

FiLiA were pleased that the venue sensibly backed down after Levy & McRae’s intervention and appreciate the stance that Platform ultimately took .

FiLiA value the important principles of freedom of speech which are vital to ensure that they can continue the campaign for women’s liberation. FiLiA are looking forward to hosting a vibrant, diverse and successful conference.
FiLiA is a women-led grassroots charity whose volunteers put on the largest annual feminist conference in Europe. With no conference funding, they bring well over 1,000 attendees to a different city each year, enabling women to hear from local, national and global voices on topics as diverse as FGM, forced marriage, coercive control and femicide. This year FiLiA is platforming activists from Afghanistan, Iran, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Australia and (of course) Scotland.

IcakethereforeIam · 12/10/2023 18:29

I agree @SapphosRock thanks for posting.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/10/2023 18:43

Who are/is Glasgow Trans Rally?

I've seen people on Twitter/X saying that it's the "Cabaret Against The Hate Speech" who protested women meeting to watch the Adult Human Female film multiple times at Edinburgh University.

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334bu · 12/10/2023 18:46

Given where the entrance to venue is, I imagine that Glasgow police will give any demonstrators short shrift. Cu all Sat and Sun.

OvaHere · 12/10/2023 18:49

334bu · 12/10/2023 18:46

Given where the entrance to venue is, I imagine that Glasgow police will give any demonstrators short shrift. Cu all Sat and Sun.

It was Glasgow that had decent policing at Standing for Women wasn't it? Good chance they'll keep protesters at distance.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/10/2023 18:50

I imagine there will be a protest given that their demands were not met.

They say they are meeting there at 9.30am tomorrow. It's not exactly the first time the event has been protested though!

x.com/serialsockthief/status/1712498603493675483?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

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Froodwithatowel · 12/10/2023 18:53

ErrolTheDragon · 12/10/2023 18:26

Then they have the gall to bollocks on about 'the Fash'.

'Fash cunts', I think.

Its about quite liking saying the words and the feelz of it, innit? S'another identity.

It reminds me of seeing a gang of small boys posturing around together having watched Grease on tv, and saying 'we're in a gang!' to everyone. I said great, what do gangs do? The answer was basically - 'we've got no idea, we just quite like the whole leather jacket cool and singing thing!'

Tallisker · 12/10/2023 19:09

@IcakethereforeIam the symbols mean 'hot topic' and 'most reacted to'. I'd you click on them there's a description

Tallisker · 12/10/2023 19:10

*If...

334bu · 12/10/2023 19:18

Yes police were great at that event.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/10/2023 19:49

Comment on Twitter from UN Special Rapporteur on Violence Against Women and Girls, Reem Alsalem, who is attending and speaking at the conference:

Arrived in Glasgow to participate in the @FiLiA_charity conference tomorrow. I guess i’ll be witnessing in real time what i have been reading about over the last few year: The concerted attempts to censor #women and prevent them from meeting and discussing issues that are important to women, and… women continuing to resist as they always have!

x.com/unsrvaw/status/1712538020694601962?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

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