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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Remember, trans lesbians are lesbians too

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Annisfinallygone · 08/10/2023 21:11

.....Says the UN Women Twitter account (2.2million followers)

'Let's uplift EVERY expression of love and identify.' Is their rallying cry.

Er, won't they be dealing with a lot of women who have been raped, experienced FGM, child marriage and abuse as children?

Every expression of love? Really??

For once, I think I'm struck dumb.

https://twitter.com/UN_Women

https://twitter.com/UN_Women

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Circumferences · 08/10/2023 21:17

The top, most liked replies seem to be almost 100% GC. Haven't looked through ALL the replies but it looks encouraging.
I hope the intern that posted that nonsense is reading them......

Froodwithatowel · 08/10/2023 21:28

Trying to force homosexual women into believing they have to make themselves do men rather than upset a male person's personal sense of self? Is neither loving nor uplifting.

It's homophobic and sees women as walking sex toys, not entitled to choose their own sexuality or to see their body as belonging to them instead of primarily on the planet for men to use for sex.

So fed up with this vileness being tucked behind a lot of pretty words as if it makes the vile reality of it all disappear. It doesn't.

OvaHere · 08/10/2023 21:33

They've been posting crap like this for a long time. Complete idiots.

RealityFan · 08/10/2023 21:33

Do I have to remember? I'd rather forget.

Fenlandia · 08/10/2023 21:50

The juxtaposition on that twitter feed between the inane 'males can be lesbians too uwu' and the tweets about awful things in Israel and Afghanistan is very unsettling.

Cancelledcurio · 08/10/2023 21:54

Homophobic women hating nonsense

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 08/10/2023 21:56

They’re called unwomen for a reason…

CorruptedCauldron · 08/10/2023 21:56

Un-women indeed! Seems that women aren’t allowed to have anything that doesn’t include male people. It’s beyond satire now.

OvaHere · 08/10/2023 22:11

Fenlandia · 08/10/2023 21:50

The juxtaposition on that twitter feed between the inane 'males can be lesbians too uwu' and the tweets about awful things in Israel and Afghanistan is very unsettling.

I can only assume these people's heads are on permanent swivel with all the cognitive dissonance.

PlanetJanette · 09/10/2023 09:54

Froodwithatowel · 08/10/2023 21:28

Trying to force homosexual women into believing they have to make themselves do men rather than upset a male person's personal sense of self? Is neither loving nor uplifting.

It's homophobic and sees women as walking sex toys, not entitled to choose their own sexuality or to see their body as belonging to them instead of primarily on the planet for men to use for sex.

So fed up with this vileness being tucked behind a lot of pretty words as if it makes the vile reality of it all disappear. It doesn't.

Where on earth are you getting that because UN Women think trans lesbians are lesbians, they therefore think that other lesbians 'have to make themselves do men rather than upset a male person's personal sense of self'?

This whole trope doesn't make any sense. Believing that trans women are women, and therefore trans women attracted solely to other women are lesbians, does not imply that other lesbians are obliged to have sex with anyone they don't want to?

You surely don't believe that just by recognising someone as a lesbian implies that other lesbians have no right to say no to sex with them?

DevilinaCardigan · 09/10/2023 09:58

Hi @PlanetJanette are you new here? Google cotton ceiling. Apparently lesbians not interested in ladydick are transphobic instead of, ya know, lesbians.

newamsterdam · 09/10/2023 10:01

PlanetJanette · 09/10/2023 09:54

Where on earth are you getting that because UN Women think trans lesbians are lesbians, they therefore think that other lesbians 'have to make themselves do men rather than upset a male person's personal sense of self'?

This whole trope doesn't make any sense. Believing that trans women are women, and therefore trans women attracted solely to other women are lesbians, does not imply that other lesbians are obliged to have sex with anyone they don't want to?

You surely don't believe that just by recognising someone as a lesbian implies that other lesbians have no right to say no to sex with them?

Could you go tell that to the TRA's screaming about how lesbians are transphobic terfs because they won't accept lady dick?

Thanks

PTSDBarbiegirl · 09/10/2023 10:09

So men are trans-validated to (faux) lesbian status, pushing their AGP agenda to the max.

Can us women identify as white male CEO's and start boosting our pension funds.

PlanetJanette · 09/10/2023 10:11

DevilinaCardigan · 09/10/2023 09:58

Hi @PlanetJanette are you new here? Google cotton ceiling. Apparently lesbians not interested in ladydick are transphobic instead of, ya know, lesbians.

What's that got to do with what UN Women said?

Unless you think that recognising someone as a woman means that every lesbian is compelled to then have sex with them?

PlanetJanette · 09/10/2023 10:12

newamsterdam · 09/10/2023 10:01

Could you go tell that to the TRA's screaming about how lesbians are transphobic terfs because they won't accept lady dick?

Thanks

If you could point me to where UN Women said anything like that, I could. But I don't think they did.

newamsterdam · 09/10/2023 10:19

PlanetJanette · 09/10/2023 10:11

What's that got to do with what UN Women said?

Unless you think that recognising someone as a woman means that every lesbian is compelled to then have sex with them?

The TRA's think that.

Recognising a man as a woman is ridiculous. A transwoman is not a woman. A transwoman is, by definition, a man. Men are not lesbians. Lesbians do not have penises.

If you, against all facts and logic, insist that transwomen are women, and those that are attracted to women are lesbians, there is certainly the implication that they are part of the dating pool for lesbians. In reality, of course, they are not.

MehtotheChristmasrunup · 09/10/2023 10:24

@PlanetJanette So if you’re a trans woman lesbian you need a female lesbian to validate that. If you can’t find a lesbian willing to have sex with you, you need to take issue with why that is. It’s obviously their transphobia and not the fact you’re male bodied. Of course they are pressurising women.

Here’s a link includes finding to a survey. Not a big survey but clearly it is a problem lesbians encounter.

https://www.filia.org.uk/latest-news/2019/11/9/what-is-the-cotton-ceiling

WHAT IS THE COTTON CEILING? — FiLiA

Presentation on the Violence Against Lesbian Panel at #FiLiA2019 (Transcript Below) Angela C. Wild is a lesbian feminist activist, writer, researcher and a political artist. Her work focuses on promoting uncompromising lesbian visibility, building l...

https://www.filia.org.uk/latest-news/2019/11/9/what-is-the-cotton-ceiling

Duffdee · 09/10/2023 10:28

There is no point getting upset about this or evening arguing with it. I mean where would you even begin. It’s just 1960’s liberalism doing what it was always going to do.

It feels like I’m watching an establishment ordered dying under the weight of its own contractions whilst waiting for a new, and hopefully better future to be reborn.

334bu · 09/10/2023 10:31

Appalling faux pas by UN. Corrective rape of lesbians is still obviously considered acceptable.

Helleofabore · 09/10/2023 10:40

I think any person denying the coercive nature of that tweet has not witnessed a group of young teen lesbians telling each other they are transphobic for not accepting trans lesbian dick. The knock on impact of statements such as this tweet are hugely concerning.

DialSquare · 09/10/2023 10:45

The fucking irony of posting this

This whole trope doesn't make any sense.

And then following it up with this.

Believing that trans women are women, and therefore trans women attracted solely to other women are lesbians, does not imply that other lesbians are obliged to have sex with anyone they don't want to?

PlanetJanette · 09/10/2023 11:09

newamsterdam · 09/10/2023 10:19

The TRA's think that.

Recognising a man as a woman is ridiculous. A transwoman is not a woman. A transwoman is, by definition, a man. Men are not lesbians. Lesbians do not have penises.

If you, against all facts and logic, insist that transwomen are women, and those that are attracted to women are lesbians, there is certainly the implication that they are part of the dating pool for lesbians. In reality, of course, they are not.

I think you need to consider how you think of consent.

The fact that someone is a woman does not mean a lesbian is obliged to have sex with her, or date her.

But thanks for failing to show how any of this relates to what UN Women said.

PlanetJanette · 09/10/2023 11:11

MehtotheChristmasrunup · 09/10/2023 10:24

@PlanetJanette So if you’re a trans woman lesbian you need a female lesbian to validate that. If you can’t find a lesbian willing to have sex with you, you need to take issue with why that is. It’s obviously their transphobia and not the fact you’re male bodied. Of course they are pressurising women.

Here’s a link includes finding to a survey. Not a big survey but clearly it is a problem lesbians encounter.

https://www.filia.org.uk/latest-news/2019/11/9/what-is-the-cotton-ceiling

Again, what has that got to do with what UN Women said?

Believing that someone is a woman is not the same as believing that a lesbian has some sort of obligation to date her.

I'm not sure why the concept of consent seems so alien on this?

PlanetJanette · 09/10/2023 11:13

334bu · 09/10/2023 10:31

Appalling faux pas by UN. Corrective rape of lesbians is still obviously considered acceptable.

Where did they say that?

Do you think you should maybe not defame UN Women by claiming they support corrective rape?

PlanetJanette · 09/10/2023 11:15

Helleofabore · 09/10/2023 10:40

I think any person denying the coercive nature of that tweet has not witnessed a group of young teen lesbians telling each other they are transphobic for not accepting trans lesbian dick. The knock on impact of statements such as this tweet are hugely concerning.

So are you saying that if a lesbian recognises someone else as a woman, she is obliged to have sex with them? If not, then it's not the recognition of someone as a woman that brings about coercion (if it existed, but there's no evidence that it does).

And are you claiming that it is, in fact, other lesbians forcing lesbians to have sex with people? Because of course there's no evidence that that is true.

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