Transwoman on being in a woman's ward

[ArabellaScott]

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trans-nhs-hospital-ward-mixed-tories-women-b2423144.html

''When it came to washing my body or clearing up after me, I was entirely dependent on nurses. They saw, wiped and dried every last inch of me.
A few days before my discharge, two nurses came to my bed, pulled the curtains closed for privacy and asked if I would mind telling them what it was like to be transgender.

We started chatting and at one point I said: “If you took every woman in this ward, stuck us all into stirrups and asked a gynae to take a good look, they wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between me and everyone.”

The nurses burst out laughing. “Oh, we know!” one of them exclaimed. “We’ve all been talking about it in the staff room. It looks just like the real thing!”'

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'all humans begin their lives as female.'

How did Diana break Diana’s back? That’s a pretty serious injury. Did Diana fall off Diana's stilettos, come on, we’ve all done it.

Absolutely

like as if we’d ever borrow a tampon off anyone let alone a man.

utter bollocks. I hope this author is filing this shit under fiction cost none of this happened outside their head.

And gayly discusses using tampons and how to insert them, because that's what women do with each other, even as strangers! tosses flowers and petals whilst skipping merrily along

I believe these special HCPS are getting breaks for re-education, followed by extra Affirmation for Great Patients.

Let’s hope they haven’t been having the same conversations with the women on the ward. How creepy and yes unlikely.

Ah, yes, we (women) all know that, but it doesn't slot in with male fantasy now, does it, when he needs to jerk off.

I hope that this isn't deleted for being too explicit!

The pelvis is a different shape and this dictates where the neo-vaginal canal can be placed and this plus the surrounding anatomy dictates the angle of the canal itself. The neo-labia usually surround the neo-clitoris, the repositioned urethral opeing and the neo-vaginal opening is just under the neo-labia. Then (depending on the individual this can be more or less distinct) you have the perineal raphe running to the anus.

What hospital is this that the nurses have time just to sit around chatting to patients? When I was on the postnatal ward (both times) all the staff were run off their feet and nobody seemed to have a second to spare.

They use the male genitals and if there isn't enough, they will use some colon (intestine) for the lining.

Also: 'stirrups'?

I've had four babies, two miscarriages, a gynae cancer scare, a colposcopy and a lifetime of smear tests and contraception appointments. 'Stirrups' have not featured at any point in this 30-odd year history of gynae interventions. Standard gynae/obstetric examinations feature you being asked to lie back with your legs bent and then let your knees fall apart. Next-level interventions like a colposcopy may have one of those examination couches with separate leg rests.

But stirrups? Someone's been watching too much gynae-themed porn.

I always thought that stirrups (for this medical setting, not when horse riding) were more of a US thing?

It’s an American thing (and probably elsewhere too). They use them there routinely.

Even the one who graduated last in their class would know at a glance.

Yes, quite a bit "off the norm" shall we say.

It's one of those hospitals where surgeons are always amputating the wrong leg isn't it?

I’ll file this under “person who used to own testicles continues talking bollocks after their removal”.

raphe is a new word for me! Every day's a school day. Is it pronounced like Ranulph?

Yes, this.

Sorry, my punctuation is dodgy in my description above and it's too late to edit. What I meant to say is that the neo-labia doesn't surround the neo-vaginal opening in the same way that you have with natal anatomy.

I just say it like 'rafe' Arabella. My knowledge of anatomy is from an art background though, rather than medical, so happy to be corrected.

And your medical records can be changed to the other sex.
As can your passport and driving licence.

Are you new here?

I'd be pretty surprised if a gynecologist couldn't identify a female pelvis up on an examination couch at 100 paces.

The stirrups are the ultimate female accessory in this fantasy, aren't they. Like high heels or a handbag.

I have a fairly androgynous dress sense and I've had the occasional comment recently, mainly from wanky drunk men and shoe shop assistants (my feet match my height unfortunately). But that wasn't really my point, my point was there's nothing trans identifying about your height.

But I don't want to derail.

As a veteran of the SRS thread on the farms, I’ve seen some shit. Neo-vaginas don’t look like female vaginas. As PP mentioned, the placement a different and the quality of aesthetics varies widely.

I've not got to the end yet but.... I've been seeing medical professionals about gynacological issues for forty years. In all that time the only time a gynacologist has had my legs in stirrups has been when I've been on an operating table under general anaesthetic. All other examinations carried out by the consultant have not required stirrups.

Plus the fact that a transwoman hole is in (at least on every photo I've ever seen) a completely different location to women's vaginas would be a bit of a give away surely!

“I think as a story it needs more dragons.”

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