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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Transwoman on being in a woman's ward

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ArabellaScott · 08/10/2023 15:52

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trans-nhs-hospital-ward-mixed-tories-women-b2423144.html

''When it came to washing my body or clearing up after me, I was entirely dependent on nurses. They saw, wiped and dried every last inch of me.
A few days before my discharge, two nurses came to my bed, pulled the curtains closed for privacy and asked if I would mind telling them what it was like to be transgender.

We started chatting and at one point I said: “If you took every woman in this ward, stuck us all into stirrups and asked a gynae to take a good look, they wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between me and everyone.”

The nurses burst out laughing. “Oh, we know!” one of them exclaimed. “We’ve all been talking about it in the staff room. It looks just like the real thing!”'

...

'all humans begin their lives as female.'

I’m trans and fractured my spine – why don’t I belong on a women’s ward?

I look like a woman, sound like a woman and live as a woman, writes Diana Thomas. But the Conservatives believe, when in hospital, I don’t deserve the same kindness and compassion as other patients

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trans-nhs-hospital-ward-mixed-tories-women-b2423144.html

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ArabellaScott · 09/10/2023 21:47

I guess it's an American Gynaecological Procedure.

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TheOccasionalFag · 09/10/2023 21:50

Stirrups definitely are used in some uk trusts during labour. I learned the hard way.

VWdieselnightmare · 10/10/2023 00:05

I'm not going to google, but what's the betting there's a porn category that involves 'doctors' and female patients with their legs in stirrups? This seems to me such a stereotyped fantasy.

Boiledbeetle · 10/10/2023 00:30

VWdieselnightmare · 10/10/2023 00:05

I'm not going to google, but what's the betting there's a porn category that involves 'doctors' and female patients with their legs in stirrups? This seems to me such a stereotyped fantasy.

There is. There's a whole thing with porn versions of women going for an annual check up which invariably involves stripping naked and legs in stirrups No wonder girls are scared about going for their first smear!

Helleofabore · 10/10/2023 06:08

It is not very hard to reconcile that Thomas wrote a MRA book and yet now embodies some of the fucked up stereotypes that Thomas believes defines womanhood. Really Thomas is the poster child for the particular group of male people.

Rightsraptor · 10/10/2023 06:27

I've only just twigged that it's THAT Diana Thomas, who used to write for the Daily Telegraph. It all makes sense now. Well, no it doesn't but you know what I mean.

Sorry not read the whole thread but just wanted to add, in case nobody else has, that the young DianaThomas attended that bastion of female privilege called Eton College. Something not quite right there ...

Helleofabore · 10/10/2023 07:40

Yes. It is THAT Thomas. Who even wrote that MRA book. Who deplores feminists, well we all know why now don’t we?

Who is apparently looking forward to Prince coming along :

Yes, I do want my prince to come. And actually I think that ultimately I would make somebody a really good wife. I love creating a beautiful home, nothing makes me happier – except possibly cooking a lovely meal or going shopping. I have worked hard all these years, I have earned my way for long enough, so yes, put a pinny round my neck and let me be a homemaker, please! There is a lot of nurturing in me that has gone to waste and there is a lot of love that is not being used up,’ she says in such a heartfelt way that I find myself tempted to give her a great big woman-to-woman hug.”

Seconds later, though, that other Diana is back – the sharp, sassy, witty one who owes quite a lot to her former self and is determined to amuse, bemuse and entertain us all as we follow her on her journey. ‘I mean look at me – long legs, brand-new breasts, knows the offside rule and the LBW rule, and can tell a googly from a flipper and if you want to watch endless documentaries about World War II be my guest! I think I have a lot to offer any man, don’t you?’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/call-diana-columnist-david-thomas-reveals-new-life-look/

(On archive)

That about sums up Thomas really. An MRA spouting sexist twaddle!

'Call me Diana': Our columnist David Thomas reveals her new life and look

David Thomas started his transgender diary last March, documenting his journey. Now he is waving goodbye to his old male self. Hello Diana

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/call-diana-columnist-david-thomas-reveals-new-life-look/

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 10/10/2023 08:03

I was trying to think what this ‘see this vagina? Best on the market mate. Indistinguishable from the real thing, two nurses said so’ stuff reminds me of

It’s when a bloke lashes out on something stupidly expensive and wants others to admire it isn’t it?

as for his ideas about what constitutes ‘making someone a really good wife’, well, they aren’t completely based on sexist stereotypes at all are they?

RethinkingLife · 10/10/2023 08:53

as for his ideas about what constitutes ‘making someone a really good wife’, well, they aren’t completely based on sexist stereotypes at all are they?

How can you fail to recognise the superior wisdom of one of our modern-day Tiresias figures? Definite loss of "really good wife" points there.

VWdieselnightmare · 10/10/2023 09:13

So Thomas is looking for a male partner? Gay all along but homophobic? One of those gay men who hates women?

I don't think it's particularly unusual. In the 90s I worked with a man who transitioned in his 40s — full surgery. He was the outlier in a highly gendered / macho family: father and brothers in the army and very anti-gay. 'Poof' was the worst insult imaginable. Once transitioned he (he called himself Diana, idolised Princess Di) started looking for a male partner. It's the Iranian way, isn't it? Banish the gay. Very very important to look like a woman so that no one suspects you're a gay man. Reminds me of Shon Faye: a lot of emphasis on facial feminisation so that no one will guess your terrible secret. Sad.

RealityFan · 10/10/2023 09:54

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 10/10/2023 08:03

I was trying to think what this ‘see this vagina? Best on the market mate. Indistinguishable from the real thing, two nurses said so’ stuff reminds me of

It’s when a bloke lashes out on something stupidly expensive and wants others to admire it isn’t it?

as for his ideas about what constitutes ‘making someone a really good wife’, well, they aren’t completely based on sexist stereotypes at all are they?

Part of the visceralness of the likes of Monty Python and Little Britain was how uncomfortable stuff was while you were laughing uproariously at it. Kind of, this is hilarious but I'd hate it if any of this became reality. You'd laugh, and then make a deep sigh of relief that is was only on your TV, and not the world around you.

Now it's jumped from the TV, like "they're here!" from Poltergeist, or the weird reality warp in David Cronenberg's Videodrome.

And instead of being a skit on the TV you could laugh at for it's sheer preposterousness, it's deadly serious as you're invited, no, expected, to not only not laugh, but go along with it.

Let me see how this will all be viewed in retrospect if we ever come out of this cloud of irrationality. Those in the media who supported David will claim loss of memory or some other ambiguousness in that they never supported the movement. Many will say they always knew it was satire, expected everyone else to be the same.

Indeed, there'll be the most almighty game of "don't blame me, blame them..."

There'll be no calling to account, no inquiry, no post mortem. Like the Russell Brand fiasco, a few figures will be marginally frank, others will say they weren't part of any complicity.

We could all point to this article in a decade, noone from the media will remember commissioning it or supporting it. And David himself will just claim it was a bit of fun, a bit of banter.

And we'll all wonder, what happened then? And what's happening now with mass denial.

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