Transwoman on being in a woman's ward

[ArabellaScott]

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trans-nhs-hospital-ward-mixed-tories-women-b2423144.html

''When it came to washing my body or clearing up after me, I was entirely dependent on nurses. They saw, wiped and dried every last inch of me.
A few days before my discharge, two nurses came to my bed, pulled the curtains closed for privacy and asked if I would mind telling them what it was like to be transgender.

We started chatting and at one point I said: “If you took every woman in this ward, stuck us all into stirrups and asked a gynae to take a good look, they wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between me and everyone.”

The nurses burst out laughing. “Oh, we know!” one of them exclaimed. “We’ve all been talking about it in the staff room. It looks just like the real thing!”'

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'all humans begin their lives as female.'

If he is against feminism, how does he square that with his fantasy that he is a woman? Surely "as a woman" you would want to fight for the rights of your sisters, right?

It’s not very #BeKind, is it?

It’s one of the many anomalies. Claiming to be an actual woman, indistinguishable from those of us born female, yet campaigning only for trans rights and never for women’s rights.

Surgery or not, this particular leopard hasn't changed their spots. They still hate women as much as they ever did.

I usually feel sympathy for people who have invested so much in a fantasy, but not in this case. Imagine though, the dissonance involved in living a lie day-to-day. Imagine having to write more and more absurd copy to justify your decisions to yourself. And imagine struggling so much to rationalise your decisions that you make up fantasies about nurses that belong in the era of Barbara Windsor and Kenneth Williams.

I hope whoever gave the thumbs up for the article to be published is reading this thread. I would love their thoughts on if they now feel a bit of a plonker.

….two nurses came to my bed, pulled the curtains closed for privacy and asked if I would mind telling them what it was like to be transgender.

So, they knew the person wasn’t a real woman…

We started chatting and at one point I said: “If you took every woman in this ward, stuck us all into stirrups and asked a gynae to take a good look, they wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between me and everyone.”
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The nurses burst out laughing. “Oh, we know!” one of them exclaimed. “We’ve all been talking about it in the staff room…

That was probably the end of the conversation. If it had even taken place in reality.

I appreciate this is sidetracking, but I was an early reader and a late speaker, so have a horror of inadvertent mispronunciations.

It's 'rafay' to rhyme with cafe.

Thanks Motorina. 🙂

Yes it is one of those strange things that apparently you're "supposed to be a women" yet act in the most misogynistic way going. I think a lot of it is jealously at something they cannot have.

But there is a trend with "transmaxxing", whereby MRAs transition to enjoy the "benefits". It's a very strange mindset.

Doubt it, there was a variety of these articles last week. A lot of papers must've asked for a trans response to the Tory party conference and I think it fills a quota for the papers by giving a voice to the trans community, satisfies the woke journalists that work there, whilst (I'm hoping the cynical) editors know that by giving them a voice lets them show their nonsense.

After all the paper is letting these people have a voice, they're not necessarily endorsing it.

Looking forward to Grace Lavery's 'choose your own adventure' account of HCP's in a female-only setting reacting to Lavery's 'staggering penis'.

I'm guessing Lavery would go for a scenario of awe and wonder rather than Diana's fantasy of giggling sisterhood?

I think you've managed that all by yourself, RealityFan.

I have a first class pilot's licence.

How about Dylan Mulvaney?
"OMG! How did I not know about stirrups before? Sisters, you just gotta get up on these, all those lovely nurses will just love us, we're all girls now!"

Shit, I forgot I could have been seeing lovely Ben Cooper in action, Critical!

Thanks! 😊

You missed some classic BC, although it seems the laser stare moments happened while I was out. Typical .
He's settling in for 3+ hours with the current witness so plenty more to come I'm sure.

The author of this piece, Diana Thomas,has spent at least £40,000 on feminising treatments, including several surgeries. Thomas has been very deliberately trying to pass as a woman and using their financial privilege to do that as well as they can. But... at 6ft tall, and having been through male puberty and life as a (sexist) man for many decades, apparently with a higher than average male level of testosterone there will be only so much that can be done. Carefully cultivated solo publicity shots are one thing, daily life is quite another. Especially in a medical setting.

Just out of interest... I've had several gynaecological exams in my time, including smears and a couple of others because of abnormal bleeding. I've also accompanied a dear friend to her examinations and been in the room while she's been examined. I've never been required to put my feet in stirrups and nor was she. Are stirrups a common experience or more the kind of thing people see on US TV series?

Claiming to be an actual woman, indistinguishable from those of us born female, yet campaigning only for trans rights and never for women’s rights.

Oh come on, be fair, I've seen at least two write "end period poverty" on their hand and post it on Twitter. What more do you want?

I've never had my feet in stirrups in my life. And I've given birth.

As to the experience of a spinal fracture, I've been in this unenviable position. I was on a major trauma ward for three weeks and for at least a week was completely helpless and immobile. I had to be log rolled. For some of that time I was also off my marbles on morphine.

And when moved onto the recovery ward, the women in the female side room were still bothered by a man who walked right to the end of our corridor (past the other lavatories) to use the one at the far side of our unit. I was in the end bed by the window and had to keep the curtains permanently drawn beside my bed, as he always, always, had his tackle visible just inside his pulled-aside pyjamas.

We're talking every time he went past.

When I'm ill, in pain and vulnerable I do not want to share a hospital ward with men. Their comfort does not trump my safety.

And yeah, damned right I'm going to kick up a stink (I did so about this dude, with the usual result: plausible deniability).

Beyond sick of this nonsense. Women are not dolls to be played with or commodities for men's entertainment or validation.

@VWdieselnightmare
I've been put in stirrups twice. Once for assisted birth and once for a hysteroscopy. I've never had stirrups for a smear, VE or vaginal ultrasound and I've had plenty of all of those.
I may be wrong but I think they use them for smears in the US.
I strongly suspect that certain people find the idea exciting. Just as some are fascinated by tampons. Naming this phenomenon would result in the thread getting deleted.

I've never had my feet in stirrups in my life. And I've given birth.

Come now. The next thing you'll be claiming is that you've never borrowed tampons from strangers and exchanged beauty tips with them before planning a pillow fight. The way all women do.

'Kin clueless, init?

I could tell you all about endometriosis, repeat miscarriage, rape, daily low-level harassment, occasional more serious assault, carrying a high-risk pregnancy, EMCS, sexual harassment in the work place, being on the receiving end of stalking, and sex-based discrimination.

And absolutely nothing about male privilege.

Boils my piss, it does ...

I remember seeing them on Friends etc.