Rishi Sunak - "a man is a man, a woman is a woman"

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..and how we shouldn't be bullied into believing somebody can be any sex that they want.

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AIBU to want to give him a round of applause?

I know, it's convenient timing and obviously a strategy move but how good is it to hear that straight from the horses mouth when the country has spent the past god knows how long bowing down to the loud and often disturbed minority.

I still can't stand the Tories and won't be voting for them but cheers for acknowledging the insanity, Rishi.

You think every single male is stronger and more violent than every single female in the whole entire world?! 🤣🤣

The data doesn’t bear that claim out. In the UK they are massively more likely to offend than to be offended against.

If they gave so much as a fuck about women why haven't they done something about this over the last 13 years!!!
Very convenient vote winner. Anyone that falls for this as stupid as anyone who believes you can change sex.
I despair.

@Billi80 I care if it's fora! I learned something new, which is always nice.

But If it’s evidently not possible why keep asserting/ insisting on it in the first place ? What are you fighting about? What’s the benefit of raging about the impossibility of the impossible??!

You really expect us to care about being called transphobic

No, I don’t expect you to care, and honestly I don’t think it’s helpful to even call the transphobia out. It’s hardly moving the debate forward. But it gives me the rage when mumsnetters deny they are transphobic in the same breath that they spout all kinds of vitriol/
prejudice/ ignorance about trans people/ trans issues.

A true Trumpian.

It’s apparently sera too when talking about serums, sorry, sera.

You think every single male is stronger and more violent than every single female in the whole entire world?!

Men are physically stronger than women by a significant margin. Men commit the majority of violent and sexual crimes.

Men should never have been allowed in women's spaces regardless of any personal feelings or identity. Sunak is perfectly correct on this.

Or do you just not care about the woman who was raped by a transwoman in an NHS hospital or Karen White's victim? What are those women ? Collateral damages to the demands of a subset of males?

The subset that allowed these things to happen are Sunaks Tory Govt & not all males by any means.

So yes care about the victims but its his party that has allowed it.

Men should never have been allowed in women's spaces regardless of any personal feelings or identity. Sunak is perfectly correct on this

He and his party have allowed it, they ve been in power for well over 13 years and any legislation is years away.

He is saying what he thinks we wish to hear not what he believes

Out of curiosity, why does it seem like a disproportionate amount of Mumsnet posters are anti trans? I don't often come across such views in real life (but then again, I live in London and move mainly in left-wing progressive circles)
However, apart from the above post this thread is a TERF echo chamber?

Men don’t need to be “allowed” they can walk in and attack anyone they wish - and they do, and that is the real problem

@Creepygardengnome Not anti trans, pro retaining women's rights. Unfortunately there is an inevitable conflict between the two once you open up women's spaces on the basis of feelings or identity rather than material reality.

Do all trans women pose the same threat to women as males? Really? At all points during medical transition?

What a load of nonsense. All males do not pose equal threat but we have safeguarding because we can't tell which ones are a threat.

So the fact that some trans women are lovely doesn't mean we shouldn't safeguard against all of them. No matter what stage of transition they are at. Males are physically stronger than females whether they've removed their penis or got false boobs or whatever other cosmetic changes they are making to their bodies. It is impossible to change sex.

That's not to mention women's boundaries. Religious women & women who have been abused should not have to be marginalised to allow a subset of males (even lovely ones) into women's spaces. That's not feminism, it's asking women to make way or to ignore their feelings for some males.

How can a marginalised group make any impact or change while their mere existence is being “debated” constantly in the press?

Saying that a trans woman is male (so not female) is just the truth, it's not denying the existence of this subset of males.

Surely it works both ways, it’s not Trans women’s jobs to come up with ways to protect women, especially if we continue to “other” them and not work together on tackling our shared fears and threats.

What both ways? This is males demanding access to women's spaces. If they were actually women they would be socialised to realise that their demands do not usurp the needs of others. If they had fought for third spaces to begin with I would have joined hands with them and fought too. I'm past it. I don't care any more they don't give a shit about women. If it really worked both ways they would.

Because it's in response to idiots given a platform to insist that people can change sex, who then lobby for legislation that reflects this erroneous belief which harms women and girls.

Women didn't just wake up one morning and decide to start banging on about the immutability of sex. It was in response to a huge attack on our rights that was brought to our door.

Men don’t need to be “allowed” they can walk in and attack anyone they wish - and they do, and that is the real problem

Why bother safeguarding at all then, in any circumstances?

I know that was in response to trans rights activists, it's not particularly making a political point.

Though please tell me what Starmer is going to do to stop this? I'm all ears.

More gaslighting

FWIW, ‘forums’ is as acceptable as ‘fora’.

Just like ‘referendums’ is so acceptable that it’s in the title of various Acts of Parliament.

HTH

The muscles in men are on average 10% denser and have a much higher percentage of fast twitch muscle than women, yes - that's a fact.
If you take a same height/weight/fitness man and woman - the man will always be stronger. Fact.

IF that is true (the mysterious “data” says so after all) maybe it’s because being gaslighted your whole life, miserable in your body, confused as a child, excluded from sports, forced to go through an unwanted puberty, made to wear gendered clothes you hate, ridiculed, forced to hide your real self, suffered unchecked mental health issues, sexualised and ignored, makes you really really fucking angry.
It certainly makes you suicidal.
I wonder what the data says about that.

It’s partly to do with the demographics on mumsnet, but it’s also a lot to do with the dominance/ bullying tactics of the mumsnet (so-called) “gender critical” feminists . I think there are actually a lot of people on mumsnet who do not support these views, but anyone who comes on to one of these threads and tries to debate/ share another perspective will be subject to the most vicious personal attacks/ name calling / bullying. So people avoid it and leave those with the anti-trans opinions to shout into their echo chamber.

It’s a good job we always take the height and weight of everyone entering a public toilet then isn’t it.

Handily that also means that women can’t beat men up? Interesting because mumsnetters are quite keen to point out that domestic violence can go both ways. Surely not, if a woman is always universally smaller and weaker than a man.

How little you must think of women to give us so little credit.

He is just trying to get votes. I doubt he could care less.

I don’t really care what leads them to be so dangerous, it’s still no reason to allow them to invade female spaces.

Given how psychological issues cluster though it’s not surprising that men who like to pretend to be women have other issues too.