Rishi Sunak - "a man is a man, a woman is a woman"

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..and how we shouldn't be bullied into believing somebody can be any sex that they want.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJcxUehh/

AIBU to want to give him a round of applause?

I know, it's convenient timing and obviously a strategy move but how good is it to hear that straight from the horses mouth when the country has spent the past god knows how long bowing down to the loud and often disturbed minority.

I still can't stand the Tories and won't be voting for them but cheers for acknowledging the insanity, Rishi.

'Or are we going with the 'logic' upthread - 'men can barge in and rape you anytime they want to so what's the point in trying to keep them out?''

Generally we also get told we can prosecute them afterwards, to be fair.

MAYBE we should all stop using confusing language like 'transwomen' and just refer to them factually - men, and this conversation gets a whole load simpler.

Bullshit. You can't evidence transphobia. Because it's not there.
You might as well as admit that you just threw that insult out there to try and shut women up.

Here’s some transphobia for you 🙋🙋🏼‍♀️ @literalviolence

OK @Tandora I don't mind changing villages and unsex toilets, (single units). I think it's the best way forward. I'm more concerned about being able to request a female GP, or a single sex ward. That's more about dignity than safety for me. I don't think I could physically tolerate a gyny exam by a male, I just wouldn't go. Do you understand that?

I am a woman and I have two daughters. I do not want any men in situations where me and my daughters are vulnerable. It is irrelevant to me how these men feel, how they dress, or how they think.

You won't admit they are male though. Which is the crux of our argument and dissent.

If you can't admit that you are operating from the basis of a lie.

How about you accept the fact they are male people and then we can have a genuine discussion about the risks male people pose in female spaces and whether female people should be afforded dignity away from males in certain spaces.

If you can't bring yourself to do that then there's zero point in you being here because you are not acknowledging the truth of the issue.

women have the right to not be around men in certain situations. Regardless of what those men might have changed their name to, what those men think they are, what those men want to be perceived as. I don't care.

Nope. Not transphobia. TW offend at at least the raplte of other men. If men as a whole stooped raping, single sex spaces would not see so important. Given that TW are like every other male with their propensity to use their dick as a weapon, it would be beyond cuntish to exclude them when drawing attention to the ways that males cause the problems which require single sex spaces as the solution.

The single sex ward is a little problematic I think. But a GP and a gyny exam- I think that’s totally fair enough. If someone is inspecting your body, it is entirely understandable that you want them to be familiar/ share that body / have the same embodied experience I think? Trans women have different bodies to (cis) women, that is a fact that no one would dispute xx

If you think that’s not transphobic I can’t help you 🤷🏼‍♀️

@Tandora I'm glad you understand. I'm off to sleep, but it's been interesting!

statistics, data and evidence show that mixed sex spaces are more dangerous for women.

Plus there is our privacy and dignity, but I know these are seen as disposable and inconsequential. Women's preferences don't matter: transwomens preferences are sacred.

One day maybe women will finally allow themselves to consider they are worth the same as men.

Trans women have different bodies to (cis) women, that is a fact that no one would dispute

Because they are...

Come on finish the thought. You're almost there!

Oh my word. You're one of us, m'dear! Welcome!

I'm sorry but I completely disagree. I attended a breastfeeding support group and a transwoman was present. Because of this the session had to be cut short and women had to go into a small room with the practitioner in intervals as they all felt uncomfortable. My baby lost weight and struggled to feed as I didn't attend any further meetings because it was so uncomfortable for me. Why? Because a transwoman wanted to educate themselves about breastfeeding? Or chest feeding should I say!

tell me what stating a fact is transphobic. Stop with the silly 'I can't help you' and try and engage like a grown up.

Men don't need a gynacologist, because they are men!

Men shouldnt be on single sex wards, because they are men!

And while this riveting, and extremely complex conversation is playing out in society, women in huge numbers are raped, abused, trafficked, killed, forced into marriage etc, etc, etc... But the POOR POOR MEN! oh those poor men who get hurt feelings, how utterly dreadful for them

FYI you're a terf and (other) TRAs will hate you for saying this. All women's bodies are unique don't you know? and if someone has changed sex why should they be discriminated against as health care givers?

many people will dispute what you say. where have you been?

That is unacceptable. Im so sorry. Did you get other support?

The issue isn't just about physical spaces. Why are men being included in research about women? Why are men having a space at the table for women issues? Why are men proposing ideas about what they think is best for women?

When we include everyone in the group, the group itself dissolves. If there is no such thing as a woman then woman issues aren't a thing are they? ... it's honestly terrifying.

My sister helped me in the end thank goodness! I'm not sure what happened in the follow up groups but I was too stressed at the time to care.

Some men enjoy making women uncomfortable. Or if i'm being very, very generous they don't care if they do in the process of getting something they want.

It's bad enough when they hijack online breastfeeding groups.

The only delusional people on this thread are those that think that Rishi and his government and it’s previous incarnations have done a single thing to advance women’s rights.

all the “at least they know what a woman is” hand wringers always fail to recognise that any erosion of what they see as women’s rights, has all happened under this lot’s jurisdiction anyway, so why they see them as brave gender champions I have absolutely no idea.

clearly fooled by the tuppeny ha’penny rhetoric he’s spouting in a desperate attempt to grab votes. Personally, as a feminist, I don’t want to be lumped in with the lowest common denominator racist, climate change denying, I’m alright jack demographic he’s aiming for. Don’t be fooled. He doesn’t give a shiny shit for women’s rights.