Rishi Sunak - "a man is a man, a woman is a woman"

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..and how we shouldn't be bullied into believing somebody can be any sex that they want.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJcxUehh/

AIBU to want to give him a round of applause?

I know, it's convenient timing and obviously a strategy move but how good is it to hear that straight from the horses mouth when the country has spent the past god knows how long bowing down to the loud and often disturbed minority.

I still can't stand the Tories and won't be voting for them but cheers for acknowledging the insanity, Rishi.

😂

There are not 'a number of complex variables'.

It is literally whether a male of female sperm penetrates the egg first.
It's set from that micro-second onwards.

It's that simple.

It is a unitary, fixed, binary, scientific process that will only deviate if there is a malfunction of that process.

Your, nor anyone's, opinion, feelings, dreams, wishes, wants, cannot change that.

This:
Genetics, hormones and environment all play a role in the development of sex.
is bullshit.

I see we are heading into this territory now. Can't be long until clownfish.

Why cry laughing? Surely you have an answer

Has it short circuited a logic wire somewhere

Ha at this

It is a unitary, fixed, binary, scientific process that will only deviate if there is a malfunction of that process

So we have progress towards some consensus. You have acknowledged a role for “process” and a possibility for “deviation”.

You have described that deviation as a “malfunction”. To me that is less of a description , and more of a value judgement , but language aside, there is variation and difference that cannot be denied.

these deviations/ variations/ differences are not a function of my “dreams, wishes, wants” they are merely empirical truths about the human population.

It is rather your “dreams, wishes, wants” that seek to make these differences disappear as you apparently find them threatening

I’m laughing because the conversation is in the gutter, and it’s hard to know how to respond.

Sorry if I wasn’t clear, I do think that there are men and women (but not all) who are able to work together to procreate.

Nothing I’ve said about the complexities of sex development and the variations that exist, is incompatible with that.

It’s in the gutter because you’ve gone a bit awol on this stuff

As was pointed out last night, invoking infertile women and people who have DSDs doesn't make every bloke who changes his pronouns a woman.

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A fully formed man with a beard, cock and balls that feels, wants, wishes, he were born a female is not a deviation of the binary process.

The science concerning the development of gender identity and transness is in its infancy, we understand very little about aetiology, but there is likely to be a role for social, psychological and biological processes in interaction (just as there is a role for biology and environment in sex development). This is also true for the development of sexuality. These aspects of a person cannot be reduced to “wishes, wants, feels” 😢. A persons gender, just like their sexuality, is not superficial, it a fundamental part of who they are and it is typically very difficult to change. If you haven’t listened to it, I really recommend this podcast.
https://dearalana.com/
Conversion therapy didn’t work for the Catholic Church in combatting “same sex attraction” and it is unlikely to work for gender identity.

Have you written to the school to complain? Parents need to push back against this nonsense and escalate it if necessary.

If you have a Tory MP or a sensible Labour MP, it is probably worth writing to them too.

I also wonder about the safeguarding aspect here - having teenagers casually directly refer to people by their genitals "person with a penis" etc. sounds as though it is language designed to break down barriers. It makes me very uncomfortable.

It's the most vulnerable this affects the most.
The disabled women who need single sex care.
Children with learning disabilities who don't understand gender yet get told off for misgendering.
Women who want rape crisis support without males present.
It is dangerous for the most vulnerable, and the people these beliefs benefit are already privileged (who conversely fake oppression).

The astrologers and homeopaths and crystal healers and psychics and flat Earthers are also banging on about the science not being settled, but unfortunately for them, it is.

Changing sex/sex on a spectrum/intersex is the third sex etc is similarly bunkum.

And childish claims to the opposite don't cut it, I'm afraid. But that's the thing about children, they need adults to inform them about the reality of the world around them and not to leave them prone to fantastical notions, and so many adults have left the room.

A persons gender, just like their sexuality, is not superficial, it a fundamental part of who they are and it is typically very difficult to change.

That's a faith. My brother's religious belief is equally sincere, very much a part of who he is and would not be something he could change, but it's still a belief, not shared by everyone and not objective reality.

Conversion therapy didn’t work for the Catholic Church in combatting “same sex attraction” and it is unlikely to work for gender identity.

Then along came gender ideology to pick up where the Catholic Church failed. Doing the Lord's work by telling lesbians to stop being such bigots about penises.

A person can change their faith if they choose; and there is no role for biology in the development of a particular religious belief. It is not a helpful comparison to gender identity. Sexuality is a much more appropriate comparator.

It is but @Tandora refuses to engage in any of this, just like they fail to acknowledge that women have actually been harmed by the removal of single sex spaces by trans women. It just doesn't matter what women think or about boundaries so long as @Tandora gets to go where they want.

Women's boundaries just don't matter.

Women who have them are bigots.

A persons gender, just like their sexuality, is not superficial, it a fundamental part of who they are and it is typically very difficult to change

This statement flies in the face of everything I am.
I am a person who sometimes wears nail varnish, never wears lipstick, likes my hair both long and short, happy in combats and work boots but also floaty dresses. I never used to be attracted to men but then I was and now I'm not again. I find women attractive but not sexually except kissing once in a drunken blue moon. I do stereotypically masculine things and stereotypically female things, I have done all my life. I do not find it difficult to switch between clothes, activities, who I am attracted to. I do not have a preference for any particular colour - I like all colours at different times for different reason.
(note the word stereotypical)

What am I?

@bringbacktheladiesloos you are an individual with a biological sex and a personality.

So am I. I have a biological sex and personality - and no gender identity

I have no idea “what you are” but doing stereotypically masculine or feminine things and wearing lipstick or nail varnish etc. conveys very little information about your gender.

It’s easy for you to switch who you are attracted to? Sure, me too. There are bisexual and pansexual people, there are also people who are strictly gay. Denying their realities, trying to change them, trying to persuade them that sexuality is all fluid and superficial anyway, etc, causes immeasurable harm.

do you have anything like the same amount of compassion for women who have been assaulted, not offered support after rape and lost a place on a sports team or award because a male bodied person who grew up with male privilege took their place? you think you are a compassionate person but you are not coming across like that at all. when you only care for a small percentage of the population you show a side of yourself which is truly horrible. a properly compassion position would be one which tries to help trans people accept the reality of their body.

It doesn’t have to be an either or. We can care about rape victims and trans people. It’s not a zero sum game.

you sound very normal and average from this description.