Rishi Sunak - "a man is a man, a woman is a woman"

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..and how we shouldn't be bullied into believing somebody can be any sex that they want.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJcxUehh/

AIBU to want to give him a round of applause?

I know, it's convenient timing and obviously a strategy move but how good is it to hear that straight from the horses mouth when the country has spent the past god knows how long bowing down to the loud and often disturbed minority.

I still can't stand the Tories and won't be voting for them but cheers for acknowledging the insanity, Rishi.

https://academic.oup.com/edrv/article/42/3/219/6159361

'Sex is an important biological variable that must be considered in the design and analysis of human and animal research. The terms sex and gender should not be used interchangeably. Sex is dichotomous, with sex determination in the fertilized zygote stemming from unequal expression of sex chromosomal genes.* *By contrast, gender includes perception of the individual as male, female, or other, both by the individual and by society; both humans and animals have sex, but only humans have gender.'

I see your 'joviality'.

I have no idea what people mean when they say things like this, but I consider it threatening.

Threatening? Now we're getting ludicrous.

It means "I know what you're doing, what you really mean".

And I was going to say...

Joviality? "Jeering" is much nearer the mark

I don’t disagree with this per se , it’s just not the whole story.

Sex is a complex developmental process , there are a number of variables that determine sex, with complex variations observed across all dimensions, it is not one singular, fixed, unitary and binary measure,
Genetics, hormones and environment all play a role in the development of sex.
also the relationship between gender and sex is much much more complex than this article suggests.

I know what you're doing, what you really mean

well she doesn’t get to decide “what I mean”. I’ve been perfectly clear about what I mean and that’s all there is to say about it.

When people say things like “I see you”, I find it threatening and creepy.

Anyone who claims that there is any grey area around what sexes differences mean, is not a serious person.

I don’t think I’ve been rude, but if I were “jeering”, the only thing I would be jeering at is the horrible attitudes towards trans people (and fundamentalist beliefs about sex and gender more broadly), and I would make no apologies for that.

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"complex variations observed across all dimensions": what does that mean?

"It is not one singular, fixed, unitary and binary measure": That is exactly what it is.

This is just such utter bollocks.

I can't be arsed with any of this any more.

The fucking pretzels that people will twist themselves into to try to argue that humans aren't a sexually dimorphic species. It might have been funny at one point. It's just fucking infuriating now.

None of this has fucking anything to do with 6 ft blokes in dresses using the women's toilets. It's just time-wasting, scientifically illiterate bullshit spread by idiots.

IT’S JUST NOT THE WHOLE STORY.

God, wish I knew how to do the massive writing.

It IS the whole story, Christ on a side-saddle.

I also hope dc don’t hear this stuff

"complex variations observed across all dimensions": what does that mean?

It means "I think that the women posting here are so monumentally stupid that I can post a few long-ish words and they'll be so staggered by my knowledge that they will forget everything they've ever known and beg me to share my valuable insights, while conveniently forgetting that I've been jeering at and mocking them on this thread all day".

There are many variables that determine sex: genes, hormones, gonads, etc., and there are complex variations that are observed across all the dimensions across the human population. For example, most people’s gonads can be categorised as either ovaries or testes, but there are also ovotestes which is a gonad with both testicular and ovarian elements.

You accuse me of jeering and mocking. What is this post then? I’d say it’s pretty jeering and mocking.

They do though. My eldest is in Year 8. Her science teacher is no longer allowed to use the terms "woman, man, girl or boy". They have to say "people with penises" and "people with vulvas" because "it's not inclusive". This is verbatim from my daughter.

Her science teacher, in her words, is a middle-aged British Indian man. This stuff hasn't come from him. It's coming from somewhere else.

Her friends are completely confused. They change their pronouns all the time, but don't actually mind what you call them. They announce their sexuality and gender to each other constantly, while still using "gay" as an insult, and IMO being sexually far LESS experienced than my peers were in the 90s. These are mostly kids from non-English-speaking homes, or being raised by grandparents/foster carers, without people to talk to about it (my daughter is able to talk it through with me).

It's a massive fucking mess, and the next 10-20 years are going to see the true effects of it. Not least a big uptick in the teenage pregnancy rate, which has been on a steady downward curve for ages. Because they're not getting to learn the basics, because of people like those on this thread who deliberately try to distort reality, in a way which is hilariously shit and transparent to us, but not so to 12/13/14 year olds, who really don't know what the fuck is going on.

How do humans procreate?

What do you need present in terms of the sexes

I'd call it 'mansplaining'!

why would it be harmful to children to be educated in the complexities of biological sex development?

????

Because you’re posting nonsense

Is it too hard?

Which two sexes need to be involved to procreate?

So you think this is “nonsense”?

“There are many variables that determine sex: genes, hormones, gonads, etc., and there are complex variations that are observed across all the dimensions across the human population. For example, most people’s gonads can be categorised as either ovaries or testes, but there are also ovotestes which is a gonad with both testicular and ovarian elements.”