Rishi Sunak - "a man is a man, a woman is a woman"

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..and how we shouldn't be bullied into believing somebody can be any sex that they want.

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AIBU to want to give him a round of applause?

I know, it's convenient timing and obviously a strategy move but how good is it to hear that straight from the horses mouth when the country has spent the past god knows how long bowing down to the loud and often disturbed minority.

I still can't stand the Tories and won't be voting for them but cheers for acknowledging the insanity, Rishi.

It should be statutory funding, but refuges and services have always struggled to get funded, whatever government has been in power. Helping abused women comes very low down the list of political priorities.

I actually agree with you on this . There's a difference between transgender people and those using it as an excuse to do disgusting things.

The the man mentioned above belongs on a male not female prison

This is a subject that isn't black and white

Thank you for acknowledging that, and I'm very sorry for all you've gone through, too.

Of course most women understand the risks of assault all too well, most of us have our stories.

I don't 'hate' any community. I just acknowledge that statistically, women are at risk from males and conventions and rules that protect single sex spaces where women are vulnerable are one way of lessening the risks.

If you create a situation where these rules/conventions are upended and ignored and we effectively make women's spaces open to males who wish to use them, that leeway WILL be taken advantage of by predators. That is how predators work.

All spaces need to be safer for all women from all men.

Yes. I wholly agree. That's all we're arguing here.

There is no way I will address him, nor any other sex offender, as 'she'

that’s weird, so what pronouns would you use for a female sex offender??

Men commit 98% of all sex offences, so it's really a moot point.

I was just wondering about the 2% really 🤷🏼‍♀️. Thats still quite a lot of people who need some pronouns 😆

I don't understand the "(optional!)"bit you've added here. Could you explain?

That no one is obliged to use them of course.

There's no 'of course' about it. I thought you were suggesting it would be optional for venues to include them. Of course there is no practical way for most venues to accommodate all of these different toilets. Which is why single-sex facilities, or unisex but fully contained and lockable with sink etc. in the cubicle, plus accessible toilet, is the only realistic proposal.

for female-assigned , “gender critical” feminists, who are particularly worried about being raped by trans women

I mean, because this really does come across very much as you mocking the fact that women and girls have a reason to fear males in their toilets, changing rooms, hospital wards, prison cells, etc.

There's nothing funny about it. What a sick place to try to use 'humour' - by ridiculing women who are scared of being raped. Fucking disgusting.

Males are a risk to females. That's why we have single-sex spaces. I don't care how they identify.

The rest of it is just bollocks, deliberately distorting reality and trying to say "look over here instead!" every time anyone points out the most basic facts - like the fact that 'male' isn't a word that is difficult or complex to define.

I get that trans-identifying males are determined not to let us be safe, or have privacy, or have dignity, or have a space of our own with no men in it. I get that. It's no surprise - men get really fucking angry at women saying no to anything. I really have to go now before I waste my entire afternoon doing this.

"There's a difference between transgender people and those using it as an excuse to do disgusting things."

If that is so, how do we know the difference?

How do you tell a "transgender person" from "those using it to do disgusting things"? (I presume you mean by "it" a transgender identity.)

I doubt whether the two groups wear badges or T shirts to make differentiation easy.

How do we create rules and spaces which take that into account?

We can’t safeguard by allowing access to males though

So it really does need to be black and white for safety, dignity and privacy for women and girls

@Agesifent I'm really sorry those things happened to you. Similar things have happened to me. It's because I want to try to protect my daughter (and myself, and my mum, and my friends) from this type of experience that I think it's vital we fight for single-sex spaces.

A woman was raped on an NHS ward and the NHS Trust told the police she was lying, because there were no men on the ward. There was a man identifying as a woman on the ward. He raped her. She will never recover from the trauma - and then from being lied to by the NHS about that. Can you imagine?

I don't want to leave my elderly mum in hospital wondering if something like that is going to happen to her.

All spaces need to be safer for all women from all men.

So. Close. To. Getting. It.

It was perfectly clear what @ArabellaScott meant. Perfectly clear.

Your response to her sharing a horrendous, traumatic experience that happened to her as a very young woman is to take the piss out of her, with laughing emojis.

There's no excuse at all for that, it's just a horrible, callous, contemptible way to respond.

A Labour Party bright young bro(or not so bright imo), husband & father of two wee girls told me it that the number of women & girls attacked in unisex toilets was just tough luck but small enough to be tolerated . He felt as long as Trans women had their needs met, what did it matter if some girl got attacked by a wrong yin? This is what we are dealing with. And it's very very wrong.

@ArabellaScott sorry I didn't mean to put my reply under you reply there. @Tandora how can you laugh at @ArabellaScott 's experience? That is so cruel. @ArabellaScott I am so this happened to you.

*sorry

Still have most of the thread to read, but the thing that puzzled me about posts like this is that, whilst I won’t vote Tory, I also won’t vote any other party that would promise to do far more harm to women.

The man doesn’t give a fuck about your gender critical views.

He doesn’t give a fuck about women.

Thinking about the state of the Labour Party, and Libdems, and the Green Party (non men anyone?), who the fuck are we supposed to vote for? Not knowing what a woman is, or why women’s rights exist in the first place, is a dealbreaker for me.

Of course he’s using this to swing votes, but unless a credible opposition crops up, there’s no one to vote for who won’t decimate women’s rights completely.

And yet entirely unsurprising.

You’re being very flippant to a woman who experienced a male sexual crime

Why?

thanks, Cancelled. It was a long time ago now.

That's absolutely shocking. For the sake of his girls, I hope he wises up a bit. Can you name him?

I've been on and off this thread since it first started on AIBU last night and this is the crux of the matter.

The Labour Party and all parties afaik see women being harmed as collateral damage because women's safety is perceived as less significant than the feelings of what used to be a small (but is ever growing) subset of males.

This is not good enough.

Women have to stand up to this. This is not a party political issue, it shouldn't be niche. 51% of the population is female. We deserve better than to be treated in law and by politicians as collateral damage.

Women have to stand up to this. This is not a party political issue, it shouldn't be niche. 51% of the population is female. We deserve better than to be treated in law and by politicians as collateral damage.

Hear, hear.

We don't "hate/fear trans people". That is completely wrong. I don't hate anyone. I don't fear men in general. I do fear that I may be sexually assaulted by a man because it is not an uncommon experience for women and it is perfectly reasonable to fear it happening (and try to avoid it).

I fear that a man who is allowed into a women's toilet may pose a danger to the women and girls there. I don't actually fear that man himself unless and until he has done something to justify it.

Radical idea based on this idea. We could have separate toilet facilities for all females who cannot use mixed sex toilets for many reasons. So Muslim women, rape/ assault survivor women, women wanting to use the sinks without men there to clean up period products or period flooding, women who are gender critical feminists, women who do not want to be filmed under cubicle doors, masturbated next to or asked by men if they have a tampon, women who just don’t feel comfortable in mixed sex toilets ( so that includes Tandora who said they don’t in a later post) etc etc. Here’s the radical bit - we could call this the women’s toilets, and we could say men can’t use it.
We could also have toilets for all men, they would probably prefer that women can’t use that but I’m not a man so I’ll leave that to men to address.
Then we could have mixed sex toilets, for anyone who for any reason doesn’t want to go in the correct toilets for their sex, or who just doesn’t care.
Problem solved right? But apparently that’s not what some men want, so women have to share theirs. Mad.

It's a good list that shows clearly why the Conservatives are just as bad on this as Laboir, if not worse.
This happened on their watch, they have the power to resolve it and they haven't.
Rishi's posturing doesn't convince me at all.